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2022 Tundra

Discussion in '4th Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by SnrDisregardo, Oct 22, 2020.

  1. Apr 7, 2021 at 9:37 AM
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    belanger9

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    The main reason I found for the ticking was poor oil circulation at idle causing cam issues. This was supposed to be helped in 2016 but I'm making sure my wife doesn't idle the truck much and not be afraid to give it some RPM's when leaving lights/merging to help get the oil moving. A cracked exhaust sucks, but is manageable, unlike a cam issue which happened to us on the vehicle we traded in for the Ram - I don't want it to happen 2 vehicles in a row :annoyed:
     
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  2. Apr 7, 2021 at 1:13 PM
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    So today I went on fueleconomy.gov and did this. I'm so torn lol. I have no idea what gas prices will be come next year in communist california and assuming the new tundra will get close to these numbers as the f150 ttv6, I'd be saving about $1,200 a year. I have a baby due in July and I love my V8 but I don't know. If gas prices continue to rise, I feel like it would force my hand on turning in my lease in July 2022. Any input?

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  3. Apr 7, 2021 at 1:21 PM
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    People have shown you won’t save anything by trading in for a new truck, but if your lease is expiring anyway I’d say wait and see what the new tundra will actually be like then decide.
     
  4. Apr 7, 2021 at 1:43 PM
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    The mistake a lot of people make is just looking at the gas savings.
    Then they go trade a vehicle that is paid for, or almost paid for, for a new fuel efficient vehicle that cost them more per month than the fuel savings.
    In the case of your lease it is a little different, but still something to keep in mind. If you turn your Tundra in, what will be the options? How much will that cost, apart from the fuel savings? If you are going to buy out the leased vehicle vs. buying a new F150 you might save enough in truck payment to make up for the gas difference.
     
  5. Apr 7, 2021 at 1:52 PM
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    Expect the Tundra hybrid to be better. The F150 hybrid is rated 4 MPG better than the regular 3.5, at a premium of $1500 CAD (I'm not sure on US cost difference). How much better is the huge question that nobody knows the answer to.

    If you're looking purely at finances see what rate you can get on a 5 year (or shorter if the payments work for you) auto loan. If that loan is 2% or less then buying out your current truck will almost certainly be the best financial decision. You've already sunk X amount into it during your lease and if you turn in the truck you're back at square one and will have to eat the depreciation. Likely at the end of your lease at worst the loan amount will be very close to the trade in value so for the rest of the loan you're gaining equity in the truck. I highly recommend you do a 3, 5, and 10 year cost of ownership on your current truck, an F150 for example, and new Tundra when info comes out. Once you do that you'll be able to see purely based on finances what the choice is for you. It could end up that you may pay less for fuel on a new Tundra (say 1500/year), but you lose more than that on depreciation (3000/year more than your current Tundra) - so in that scenario you're paying 1500/year more for a more fuel efficient truck.

    Many of us ended up in Tundra's because we looked at cost of ownership - sure we pay more in fuel each year but we 'make' more in not needing repairs or trade in value. For example if shit hit the fan in my life right now I could trade my truck in (not sell it, that would get me even more money) and get near $10k in my pocket (trade value ~$30k, loan value ~$20k), do that on a similar Ram 1500 (I know this off the top of my head to use as an example) and I would only get $3-5k in my pocket. So cost of ownership has been +$1k or more per year in the 5 years of ownership.
     
  6. Apr 7, 2021 at 2:01 PM
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    At the dealership that I use to work at I would see what the traded in F150s, Rams and Chevys were worth after only a couple of years. It was shocking. As a tech we had to go through them to find any issues and there was no comparison to the Tundras that were traded in.
     
  7. Apr 7, 2021 at 2:02 PM
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    The Juice THE JUICE IS LOOSE !!

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    It's a face only a mother could love........ putting an aftermarket bumper on this truck pictured would be a PITA with all that plastic Shannanigans on the front.
    :gossip::gossip: Of course it's not nearly as ugly as the face on the current Tundra.:crapstorm:
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  8. Apr 7, 2021 at 4:19 PM
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    Looks like you would just take the bumper off to me....clean line straight across.
     
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  9. Apr 7, 2021 at 5:35 PM
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    Did you price in premium for the ttv6?
     
  10. Apr 7, 2021 at 5:55 PM
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    Keep in mind, the Ecoboost recommends premium fuel. The Tundra does not.
     
  11. Apr 7, 2021 at 5:55 PM
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    I may not be in my right mind but I am thinking of a Silverado just because even though I love my 2001 I want to get a new truck and there is no information on the 2022 Tundra's yet. 2021 Tundra is in the running but until recently I did not see any in stock around me.
     
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  12. Apr 7, 2021 at 6:04 PM
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    Rumors are that the next gen Tundra won't require Premium either. I don't think the Lexus LS requires premium, but it does recommend it. Still, some real world reviews that I've seen say that it is a dog on regular.
     
  13. Apr 7, 2021 at 6:09 PM
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    AzureNightmare Geek in a Tundra

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    I was just referring to the comparison of the 2021 Tundra and the F-150. Most turbos need the premium fuel to perform as advertised.
     
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  14. Apr 7, 2021 at 6:32 PM
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    Have you read this thread? :eek:

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/just-test-drove-a-21-1794-now-im-hooked.86801/
     
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  15. Apr 7, 2021 at 7:11 PM
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    Growing up I was a GM fan, and with all their issues I have them in last out of the 5 half tons that I would buy right now. It just seems like all their focus went to the HD trucks and they slapped together the 1/2 tons. If I was HD shopping GM would be at the top (just wait for the interior refresh that should be out soon) but half tons I'd stay clear.
     
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  16. Apr 7, 2021 at 7:35 PM
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    Cpl_Punishment Mother-Loving Member

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    I still think Ford and GM are about equal and both ahead of Ram for halftons but I don't really care about the features, just the reliability and functionality.
     
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  17. Apr 7, 2021 at 9:56 PM
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    The LS500 absolutely requires Premium fuel of at least 91 octane.
     
  18. Apr 8, 2021 at 2:04 AM
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    Pretty sure that’s just for the high output ecoboost in the raptor and not the normal f150 ecoboost.
     
  19. Apr 8, 2021 at 2:47 AM
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    Kind of. From the owner's manual. 87 is the minimum, but for best performance you need to use premium in any ecoboost. Don't know anyone who isn't after best performance. Even if it's only when towing, it's still required at some point.


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    And a link with more info. https://www.torquenews.com/3769/ford-f150-performance-reflects-octane-level-93-definitely-better They said the that 93 octane vs 87 was a difference of 20 HP. So, required? Maybe not, but if you want the numbers advertised, you have to pay for it.
     
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  20. Apr 8, 2021 at 4:27 AM
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    Haha. Im not suggesting anyone put regular in their LS, but you can find plenty of posts like this from LS 500 website:

    "I've been driving my LS 500 around for the past week and was pretty concerned by the apparent turbo lag and rough engine noise compared to my previous LS 460. Anyway, I finally used up most of the complimentary tank of gas that came with the car and filled it up with premium gasoline (as recommended in the manual). I noticed an immediate difference. The acceleration is way smoother and that roughness is gone! It still doesn't sound like a V8 though but it is very subdued and the car is more responsive, as it should be. I believe Lexus dealers fill up all their cars with regular gasoline. If so, then it's not helping them sell the LS."
     
  21. Apr 8, 2021 at 4:46 AM
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    I have seen this issue but I really am not interested in the opening back window. The only back opening window I am interested in now is the Tundra's rear window that goes down fully. I also do not want a moon roof or sun roof and those are clear deal killers for me.

    EDIT: And just to add my 2001 Tundra stopped right off of a bridge going into my city during rush hour when it was a year old. I had to have it towed to a Toyota dealership I was not familiar with and the whole thing ended up being a mess. Though that really pissed me off at the time I do not judge my whole Tundra experience by that one thing.
     
  22. Apr 8, 2021 at 7:51 AM
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  23. Apr 8, 2021 at 8:43 AM
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    Terndrerrr it's good to get lost once in a while

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    Does this calculator completely ignore repair costs and time spent in the shop?

    The question is, should you ignore those costs or anticipate them with a new Ford?

    I remember Edmunds saying the Tundra was the cheapest to own over 5 years despite poor fuel economy because there are far fewer repair costs involved. Granted, if fuel prices skyrocket, they play a larger role obviously. I’d wait and see about the next gen Tundra if I were you.

    Remember that the F150 has long looked the best on paper, but real world experiences are very different.
     
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    We pay over $4.00/US gal here in Canada and it's still cheaper to own a Tundra. You also have to consider the trade in value.

    I actually don't consider the Tundra mpg that bad. Drive conservatively , stock tire size and no lift and see 20-21mpg hwy.
     
  25. Apr 8, 2021 at 9:30 AM
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    I've had the chance to drive F150's at work quite a bit, including 5.0's, 1st gen 3.5, 2nd gen 3.5, and a 2.7 and I don't see a huge difference in fuel efficiency in any of them. It's a big blocky truck, it's hard to see fuel efficiency gains. You know where I did see huge gains - diesels. 8000 lb truck getting 10 l/100km on the highway or better doing 110 km/h for an hour or so, just don't see that in gas engines.

    One thing I did yesterday since I was bored was take a hard look at TFL's videos of the various F150 engines for fuel efficiency. Flat unloaded driving there was a huge variance between the 5.0, 3.5, and 3.5 hybrid. Flat towing and uphill towing though I was blown away, they're all at similar numbers - flat was around 8-8.5 MPG, uphill was at 3.5 MPG (Tundra was only barely worse than those). They do of course do timing on the way up, but all those engines easily reach the speed limit so it's a moot point.

    The one spot where there is a difference is that 0-10 MPH, and the hybrid is king at that, it even keeps up with the TRX for that short time.

    What I gained from that is if you're towing the next gen Tundra likely only will help out if you need the extra payload or towing capabilities, it won't do a lick for towing fuel efficiency. If that's what you're worried about than the half ton diesels are the trucks for you (Ford PS and GM Duramax look like very good engines to me, the Ford PS drives very nice I can say). Driving around the city/town a bunch and do a lot of stop go then wait for the Tundra Hybrid, I'm willing to bet it takes a good jump on the Ford hybrid. Lots of highway driving and MPG matters, well none of the trucks do great and none do crap, be gentle and refrain from going faster than you have to and even the current Tundra does ok.
     
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  26. Apr 8, 2021 at 10:22 AM
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    True. There is only so much energy in a gallon of gas. The great equalizer. The ttv6 will be great for the mall crawler or as a daily commuter. Just not what I bought a truck to do.
     
  27. Apr 8, 2021 at 10:46 AM
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    So the TTV6 having more HP / TQ, having hundreds more ft lbs of torque thousands of RPM earlier, more torque over a much more broad and flat range, and at comparable MPG is only for mall crawling and daily driving?

    lol, please explain what you are doing with your truck that would not benefit from that.
     
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    I don't know what you guys tow but I barely see a difference in MPG towing about 4500lbs. The same old shitty 12mpg as always. My supercharged tundra tows better and gets better MPG than the non supercharged tundra.
     
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  29. Apr 8, 2021 at 12:13 PM
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    LOL! Do you dispute there is only so much energy in a gallon of gas? Do you think the battery backup that provides the kick to add HP has unlimited power? Please let me know how that works.
     
  30. Apr 8, 2021 at 12:24 PM
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    From watching videos and knowing what the V8 is like - there isn't a need for more power. What more do I need it to do, pull a house? We're at the point of diminishing returns. Is the new engine with those traits better, yes. Is it worth it financially to trade in the 5.7, no I don't think so. It would be the child inside me that would buy one since it would be fun as hell to have more power but as TFL has shown the current engine pulls 9k lbs up at the speed limit so there's nothing really to gain, plus V8's do engine braking much better. You watch the videos and the hybrid, the TT 3.5, and the 5.0 all do the same time and MPG - so how is the extra HP and torque being useful?

    Give me both trucks at equal finances then of course I take the more powerful new engine, but that's not the case. Right now I'm +$10k on the 2016, trade it in and I'm at -$10k at best. The new engine with those specs isn't worth ~$20k.
     
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