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2021 Really the last year of the V8 for the Tundra?

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by AndyCBR, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. Sep 16, 2020 at 6:25 AM
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    Not nearly as much as most people on this site but some.
    In theory it sounds great but to me, constantly stopping then starting the engine can't be good for it. This seems like one of those concepts pushed to meet mpg requirements and the consumer has to pay for the fall out. The engine wear and tear has to be exponential.
     
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    Out with the 8, in with the 10!
     
  3. Sep 16, 2020 at 6:40 AM
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  4. Sep 16, 2020 at 6:44 AM
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    Though I agree with the sentiment for a truck, I am fairly certain God would say it with proper Grammar. "The American" should not misquote Him.
     
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  5. Sep 16, 2020 at 6:50 AM
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    https://youtu.be/oM4XNVqWAcA?t=249
     
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  6. Sep 16, 2020 at 7:02 AM
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    "...God's way of saying it ain't got enough cylinders." A little after the 4 minute mark. Still more accurate than "isn't enough cylinders"
     
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    The smaller turbo engines are far far more reliable than pretty much anything made in the late 70’s-early 80’s, whether is be a 4,6 or 8. Lol
     
  8. Sep 16, 2020 at 7:12 AM
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    You almost had it.
     
  9. Sep 16, 2020 at 7:19 AM
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    Perhaps, but the old engines are easy to repair / rebuild - the new computer dependent small c.i. turbo engines are pretty much disposable.
     
  10. Sep 16, 2020 at 7:27 AM
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    The big catch here, especially with Tundra guys that put down 2-300k or more, is that turbo will need a rebuild or replacement. I used to love Subies until they got up in age, we'll ignore the HG leaks they are know to have. But, at 80-90k you were looking at either preventative maintenance of replacing the turbo or just hoping it wouldnt fail while driving. None the less, that was a 4k job if you did it yourself, or 6-8k for someone else to do it. Turbos are great for small spaces and small cars but ultimately they often end up costing as much or more as a NA vehicle. I hope Toyota sticks with the V8 and opts for weight reduction or more gears. Basically assuming all other factors are equal a turbocharged motor simply has more parts that need to be maintained, so ultimately the cost is usually more in the long run.
     
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  11. Sep 16, 2020 at 7:35 AM
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  12. Sep 16, 2020 at 7:38 AM
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    Agree dropping the V8 would be a very high-risk gamble.

    One thought on mpg... I notice on my Tundra the trans stays actively engaged at all times. I actually feel it downshift and "engine brake" when slowing down. My experience with GM/RAM is those transmissions are quick to disengage completely whenever possible. I wonder how much of an impact that makes to city fuel economy? I'm typically 13.5 in Tundra where RAM and Sierra were in low/mid 16 in the same commute.

    That said, I like the way my Tundra trans behaves. Always hated the lag and abrupt engagement when re-applying even modest throttle from coasting/slowing down in the other trucks. It was annoying.
     
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    Engine braking usually helps fuel economy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=_bZlb62VVlw&feature=emb_logo
     
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    Really? I'm going to have to search/study the physics behind it and educate myself. (No snark - I've not read up on it). I just figured an engine disengaged at idle and coasting would be more efficient than one engaged turning more rpm - made sense in my mind. Guess that's why I'm not an engineer. :)
     
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    Just added a video to dumb it down lol. Its not massive, but its a mechanical scavenging effect. The wheels and tires assist in keeping the motor running.
     
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    You all make good points. Another reason I went with the 2020 (at the time the new one was supposed to be 2021 so I jumped before that).

    I would like a 8 or 10 speed trans but I like the reliability of my current V8 more than I would like better MPG's.
     
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    Yes sir, the cost to repair / rebuild the newer high tech computer dependent engines makes them disposable to most owners. It's seemingly easier to just buy another vehicle, at least that's what the manufacturers want you to think.

    Me, in the long run a $5k repair bill on an otherwise solid vehicle in my stable is much cheaper than buying a new vehicle to replace it with.
     
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    More gears would be nice, if Toyota gets the tuning right. Having spent time in an auto Tacoma with the new 6 speed, the tuning matters. The Tacomas are always pushing to be in OD gears and switch constantly to them, even if your accelerating.
     
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    Nailed it. Most Subie owners dip out at 80k after seeing either the HG repair bill of 2-3k or talks of replacing the turbo for 6k. Subie doesnt seem to fix that either, wonder why. ;)
     
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    I had a Subaru and dipped out around 60k after some oil analysis suggested turbo wear. If the turbo bearing goes, that's metal in the rest of your sump. Not to mention the hours spent diagnosing vacuum, boost, and exhaust leaks and how severe of an issue any of those create for the ECU. Needed a truck for towing, and loved the Big 3's features for sure. Toyota offered me the best all around deal, and I got the biggest engine with the most aggressive final drive to boot.

    That being said, I don't know what you all are smoking if you think this 6 speed is responsive :rofl:! I've been shopping trans tuners for a while because I hate how quickly the truck wants to get into 6th, and how it feels like it's in neutral the second you start coasting. Bring back the manual Toyota!

    That's not to say the Ford/GM 10-spd is any good. Amazing to me how much of a clunker that thing is at 6 miles, 7k miles, and 50k miles (all of which I test drove). It's like it was designed to slam gears from the start!
     
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    Personally I love the Tundra gearing, it feels good enough in daily use, and if at anytime I wanted it to be more sporty, tow haul. The Tacoma guys learned with their crazy new trans that limiting it to S4 keeps it out of OD and it drives better, you could try that.
     
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    Perspective. When you've driven every OTHER truck, and they like to slam gears, hurry into OD, etc.....by comparison, you bet the Tundra's transmission feels responsive. Even though it's in a sense an older transmission than the one in my previous truck (2013 F150), it's FAR better.
     
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    Maybe I didnt feel like it felt old because I also have a 2019 4Runner with its 5sp auto, oof that trans feels dated.
     
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    I keep waiting on my 4 speed 2002 Tundra to shift again after driving my 6 speed '07 around.
     
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    you can just turn it off, at least you can in my wife's durango
     
  28. Sep 16, 2020 at 11:36 AM
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    I don't know if it is an industry standard but I've seen other vehicles where you can turn it off as well. Thank God!
     
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    On the vehicles with auto stop/start, you can disengage it by pressing a button each time you start it OR buy purchasing an Auto Stop/Start Eliminator.
     
  30. Sep 16, 2020 at 12:10 PM
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    I don’t think an 8 speed alone would give us better gas mileage. The Land Cruiser has one and it still gets horrible mileage.
     
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