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2019 2020 transmission cooler missing

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by sgtfluffy16, Aug 10, 2020.

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  1. Aug 11, 2020 at 9:34 AM
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    280 F is based on fluid degradation. 302 F is likely a hardware temp limit for clutches, seals, etc.
     
  2. Aug 11, 2020 at 9:37 AM
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    The issue about misleading labeling on the existence of an “Engine/trans cooler” is legitimate. I had. 1996 GMC Yukon years ago and remember I could never get the amount of fuel in the tank they said it was rated for. I didn’t think much of it at the time.

    A few years later (after I sold the vehicle) I got a class action lawsuit notice that GM falsely advertised the fuel capacity of said vehicle! I said to myself “Hmm, I wasn’t crazy after all!”.

    I can’t remember what the settlement was but I did take satisfaction that someone had enough to resolve to file a lawsuit.

    If you can find a lawyer to take your case you might have something worthwhile to pursue.
     
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  3. Aug 11, 2020 at 9:43 AM
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    I prefer not to go this way. So long as Toyota either further extends the transmission warranty due to the increased wear and tear on the transmission because of the Heat that it will see because of the removal of the transmission cooler, or they reimburse 2019 and 2020 owners who have installed a transmission cooler. Or, do a tsp of them installing an external transmission cooler on the 2020 and 2019 Tundras
     
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    HAHAHA none of that is gonna happen but keep on keepin on bruh :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    I’m just saying hoping Toyota does something to your satisfaction is a long shot without some compelling reason to do so (negative press, brand reputation taking a hit, lawsuit, etc.)
     
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    Not sure either one of those has a high likelihood of happening but I would think they would extend the warranty before they retrofit a cooler for everyone. Could be wrong though
     
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    I am hoping for the same thing. Because I am not the only one who sees these concerns, or has started enough information to build a case that the transmission fluid temperatures are extremely high in above normal range.
    Toyota is a great truck manufacturer. And automobile manufacturer. This is something that they need to stand by and take responsibility of. Because it's just a matter of time until Transmissions start to blow up because of overheating
     
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    Fingers are definitely crossed for some sort of fair and engineered remedy on the truck
     
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    Change effective MY19.

    We are now, what, 2 years after the fact and how many "issues" have been reported on this forum, or elsewhere for that matter, in regards to actual mechanical issues?

    Only complaints so far have been increased temps noticed.

    Has anyone with MY19/20 checked their owners manual yet to see if Toyota might have changed ATF interval? (Extremely unlikely due to "environmental hazard costs")

    This could be a downfall for the percentage of owners who use their truck as a truck, this could leave a bad taste in their mouth.

    But IMHO, Toyota will do NOTHING until actual mechanical issues start to present themselves in the masses. At that point they might do something.
     
  10. Aug 11, 2020 at 10:31 AM
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    I have a feeling there haven't been enough trucks over 60000 miles yet. Because the standard interval for fluid exchange is a hundred thousand miles and no one has that on a 2019 yet. It is just a matter of time until all of them start coming out of the woodwork. But it's going to be a massive hit of them all at once. If you read the rest of the Forum it states that I'm trying to get the information from ExxonMobil as they are the manufacturer for WS transmission fluid. Outside of that, I am waiting on a few other stipulations to come through so I have more Rock Solid proof of everything. But if enough people are complaining about the high transmission fluid temperatures they are definitely going to look into it. Just like the turn signal being so dim in the front headlight. That took just over a year to fabricate a remedy witch we in the forums have discovered the fix over a year ago
     
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    Since when is ATF temp a NHTSA associated issue?
     
  12. Aug 11, 2020 at 10:34 AM
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    If you read the multiple posts that I have already stated. It is a reliability concern
     
  13. Aug 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM
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    Ok, so why muddy the water bringing up an issue tied to NHTSA?

    So, you mention not many trucks over 60k...what is that supposed to exactly mean? Sure, that's when the warranty expires but is that a random figure you are associating to mechanical issues staring to present themselves from these increased ATF temps?

    I find it hard pressed that there aren't any MY19/20 owners out there, not monitoring temps while towing loads close to ratings/capacities. Again, regardless of this arbitrary value of 60k miles, I have yet to read many instances of a transmission failing.

    What information are you waiting on specifically from Exxon is regards to the WS fluid?

    Edited
    Removed attachments due to them not being dated to verify validity to discussion at hand.
     
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    That is a extremely old MSDS. And that doesn't even have half the information but the current MSDS has currently. Again, reread the entire post. Because they won't disclose the important information about WS transmission fluid. Like when it starts to break down at what temperature

    Again! Read the post. The reason why the dim turn signal was brought up he's because you said they weren't going to pick something. We in the Forum that discovered that problem over a year ago and found a remedy over a year ago. Just a month or two ago Toyota release that recall on the turn signal bulb. We find the problems before they do because we are the owners, and we communicate, and we see the problems because we use our vehicles firsthand in real life situations
     
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    The turn signals on my truck are plenty bright and the recall doesn't apply to it.
     
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    You don't even have a 2019 or 2020 Tundra. So your 2014 doesn't matter because you have a transmission cooler.
     
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    I looked for a date, unfortunately was not able to find so I'm discarding that info as useless (been removed and post edit noted).

    How's about May 12th 2016 dated MSDS?

    https://cdn.website-editor.net/6622da50fd3744b3b1560a41005a6921/files/uploaded/00289-ATFWS.pdf

    Again I ask, as I am very curious, what info do you feel Exxon will provide that will help you:

    Once I have that last piece of the puzzle I can go with 100% full proof that the 2019 and 2020 Tundras need the external transmission cooler installed on them to keep the transmission within spec.
     
  18. Aug 11, 2020 at 11:31 AM
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    Here is one of my blackstone labs analysis of WS. Cant find the most recent one from my 19 Tundra. They measure FP at 390.

    9078FA33-60C7-48DD-86BC-EE9189B18105.jpg
     
  20. Aug 11, 2020 at 11:44 AM
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    Well I've put my trust in the Toyota engineers to know what's going on, and to know that some of the trucks they build will get abused and used as trucks. If it needed an external air to fluid cooler, it would have one.

    I've put enough trust in them so much so, that I've never bought an extended warranty for my truck( this one, or my 2nd gen, or my 1s gen)

    I really think until we start seeing an alarming amount of failures, we are beating a dead horse here. And I am sure there are plenty of higher mileage MY 19's out there already.


    Just like the turn signal being dim, there were multiple people with the problem. I think if we had tranny failure at any rate, we on this forum would all ready know about it.

    Just my .02$
     
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    And for comparison here is one from my 08 Tundra running Maxlife. It has a higher FP.

    62A5A60A-CE58-49A2-8A32-E1D1E3BE8D81.jpg
     
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    Hopefully OP doesn't have the cam tower leak...that's a big one.
     
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    I was actually just looking through that thread...

    Did that ever go anywhere with Toyota?
     
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    I doubt it. They never fixed it seems like.
     
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    I think they have been pretty good about covering most of the costs for that issue from what others have said. They may decide to do the same thing if these transmissions without the cooler start failing.
     
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    I bought @chasenicholas93 cooler as soon as I found out about this not so little discrepancy, that was with less than 1000 miles and never having towed. I'm so old skool on this Nick was only selling the bracket with a list of parts to buy. Best Unwanted Mod anyone can do IF they LOVE their truck. I love my Toyota's but this was serious fuckerage on Toyota's behalf.
     
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    Arguing with Toyota over something that hasn't even happened. Assuming no one (nearly no one) with a MY 19/20 has went over 60k miles. Expecting Toyota to provide a remedy for your concern over something that hasn't happened. Assuming Toyota didn't know about the dim turn signal until a few weeks ago when the recall came out. This is exhausting.

    But i'm still tuning in to this thread :oldglory::popcorn:
     
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    What I can't understand is if you're that unhappy with the truck, trade it in. There has never been a better time to trade in a Tundra. Other reasonable options include spend some $ and modify it to your liking or drive it and get rid of it when the warranty is up. The filing fee for a lawsuit will be about half the money you need to make the mod of adding an ATF cooler. Thinking you're going to convince Toyota to spend hundreds of millions to recall the 2019-2020 Tundras over this is issue is not going to get you where you want to be IMO.
     
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    @sgtfluffy16 In case you are looking for more data points: my 2018 (with a factory transmission cooler) has seen a peak of 241 F at the torque converter, although only for a short period of time (less than a minute). This occurred while towing over up a mountain pass at about 7500 feet, at 60 mph (100 kph) with an outside temp of approximately 90 F (32 C). 3500 lb travel trailer with the aerodynamics of a barn door.
     
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