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10,000 mi oil change

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by Tundra694, Mar 15, 2021.

  1. Mar 17, 2021 at 3:40 AM
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    Ah, well, you "buried the lede" about the mods didn't you? Changing more frequently under your conditions would no doubt be endorsed by Toyota engineers. Doesn't really help the OP, or the rest of us with unmodified trucks.

    If you had stated the basis of your claim, instead of implying everyone else was "cheap" for not following your advice, I would never have twitched an eyebrow. Mindless opinions on OCI are common, logical reasoning less prevalent.
     
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  3. Mar 17, 2021 at 5:10 AM
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    Talk to Dave over on BITOG, he has a very technical, fact based, analysis supported oci protocol. He'll make you think about it more than you ever have.
     
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    I replace my 60,000 mile tires at 30,000 miles. I pride myself on being lightyears ahead of the curve. I do me.
     
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    Have a thread link for Dave's thoughts? Reading BITOG for OCI opinions is probably about the same as here, only a LOT more of it..."All oil, all the time". :D

    My experience (fwiw) with OCI has simply followed OEM recommendations over the last 50 years. Over that time, OEM recommendations have gradually increased due to improved motor oils and improved engine/engine controls. Their objective has been to make their product look more attractive from reduced maintenance expense. Toyota has won that battle hands down, and not because of OCI.

    In the mid 70's, I was using 5000 mile OCI. By the 80's, I was using 7500 mile OCI. In the early 2000s, I was already using 10K/annual OCI. Oil monitors on two separate GM vehicles typically would show up to 13K miles before 0% oil life. I have kept all vehicles 8-10 years or 100K miles, and one for 30 years/180K miles (T4R). All vehicles, as others have enthusiastically proclaimed, had "No engine failures, malfunctions, or oil burning", due to infrequent oil changes. In fact, regular valve adjustments on the T4R showed zero signs of oil degradation under the valve cover.

    OEM recommendations for OCI have worked for me. Others are free to use their own experience, internet opinions, "over-abundance of caution", astrology, or whatever other means to determine OCI. :thumbsup:
     
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    I would further remind the collective that a lot of "maintenance" specifications from the manufacturer are really focused on the warranty period (both manufacturer's and extended). That is THEIR risk period.
     
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    My previous daily (a lexus gs300) I had for 17 years (and was the reason I bought another toyota product) I ran full synthetic since 20,000 miles and I didnt change the oil but every 25,000 miles.

    This same conversation was on the clublexus forum and many there waited 50,000 miles on synthetic. Heck my oil looked just as new as the day I put it in (25,000 miles earlier)

    Synthetic just doesnt break down the way regular oil does and trust me, if Toyota says 10,000 they are just being safe and 25k is just fine.

    Secondly, I run Mobil1 in my mercedes but it gets black after about 5k so I do change it more frequently, but the lexus oil never got dirty.
     
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    Search dnewton3, he has a plethora of info. I will simplify his message by 1000%, paying for a synthetic should constitute using it to its fullest potential, tossing it a predetermined interval could and usually is, wasting money.

    We have vehicles here at work that have yearly bulk conventional oil changes, our oldest is a 2001 F-140 5.4, has 199,xxx hard miles on it. Still runs good, body is failing it miserably.
     
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    Thanks for that.

    dnewton3 and I think exactly alike. I only began to use synthetic when a new, high-dollar Corvette ($$$$$) recommended it. GM no doubt received financial incentives for the endorsement. (Free oil? :notsure:) I only recently became sold on synthetic for ordinary vehicles after I had studied the advantages, and synthetic became nearly as cheap as conventional motor oil.

    I'll strenuously deny that I'm "cheap", I'm "frugal". But, I never had enough money to throw any on the ground either. :D
     
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    dnewton has a 2006ish Chevy diesel he tows his camper with and he runs conventional 10w30 for 2 plus years in some instances. He does oil analysis and has a database of Duramax diesel analysis's in the thousands, he takes his oil seriously..:D
     
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    This ^^^ is me too. :thumbsup:
     
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    I dont get why people are against early oil changes. It is easy and cheap for the insurance of having fresh oil in there... Fresh oil means less deposits and ensures a clear internal engine.
     
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    Honestly because there is no conclusive evidence of the benefits in regards to MOST Toyota trucks. The vast majority of of Toyota trucks are having no issues running 10k OCI under normal or even heavy use at still operating will well over 200k. Note: I didn’t say maximum.

    For instance, the Michelin Defender LTX has a warranty of 70k. (Hat tip @TundraMcGov.) So why change those tires at 35k when they will perform better than many tires brand new. Just because? All major 0w20 (boutique oils included but not dollar store crap) are excellent. Yes some are marginally better than others but the protection is there regardless. Why waste the time and money...spend it with your family.

    And let’s say I am completely wrong. Your Tundra engine dies at 278k instead of 306k...you still got your money’s worth out of the vehicle. I my gut tells me if I were to take the same Tundra and run in the the exact same manner with a 10 vs 5 OCI...the engines would likely die at about the same time.

    But in the end your truck your rules...
     
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    Worked for him. Lol. 10k is fine.

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    So what it really comes down to with a stock drivetrain/performance/weight Tundra.. when it's a conversation between every 5k vs 10k.. it really boils down to -- at least the way I see it -- is do it more frequently if you want a little peace-of-mind or just plain love working on your truck. In the end, with a stock Tundra, it may potentially not matter because you're still driving one of the most reliable trucks in America and oil change interval may not affect your truck dying at 450k miles versus 550k. It's analogous to asking why do people detail their vehicles once a month versus every other weekend.
     
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    Well put sir.
     
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    For my other vehicles, I used to change out oil every 3K miles with regular oil. Then when I switched to synthetic, I did every 5K. When using advance full synthetic, I did every 10K. Now I using ultimate full synthetic, I did it every 17.5K. For my 2020 Tundra, I drained and filled at 5K mark and will do every 10K at dealership until the engine warranty is over. There is no point to change out oil too early, just waste money and time, and generate more waste for the environment. And for the record, none of my vehicles had problem with the engine when I sold them at around 250K mark.
     
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    Next to the transmission cooler debate, a spirited oil change debate is almost as entertaining!

     
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    Okay, I'm a newbie here. I got my 2018 in mid December. I really want to do the 10K oil change but the truck is FFV. I will never use FF, but I don't want to screw the truck up either by not following MFG change at 5000 miles. What differences are there in the construction of the motor that would require a 5K oil change vs 10K? And yes I did contact Toyota. Their response after I wrote that I would never use FF, was to change the oil every 3000 miles. :facepalm:
     
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    I would think quite the opposite, oci would be longer not using FF???
     
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    10k oci for the life of my 2014 ffv with 213k miles. 0w20. Going to do about 8k this oil change to swap to 5w30 since I'm towing more and summer is coming up.
     
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    Bammer, I think Toyota was just trying to brush me off. Their comment made no sense. It was inconsistent with the manual.
     
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    I'm doing every 10K miles (as stated by the manual), and using what ever the fu(k the dealership puts in it..
    But feel free to change yours every 3K if it makes you feels better.
    It isn't 1970 after all...

    I've never sent an oil sample to anyone in 42 years of driving, and I never will..
    I thought I was anal about stuff, I guess not..:eek2:
     
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    I still get my oil changes for free at 5k miles but 2021 Tundras have 10k oil changes? Isn't Toyota using fully synthetic oil for years now?
     
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    Skipped the two free changes at the dealership because I used to actually work with people who were assigned to do these. Now, every 5k in the driveway for me.
     
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    I wish I had the motivation, time, and patience to change my own oil..
    I did with my 1969 Fairlane, 1980 Honda Accord, 1982 Camaro, but that's when it stopped.
    If I could, I'd buy my own filters, my own oil, a Fumoto Valve, and a large enough drain pan.

    But since I've lived at my current location (13 years), the local O'Reilly's and AutoZone have both had a sign on the door reading no outside oil deposits accepted.
    I'm guessing they are too lazy to deal with it..
     
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    I hear you about the time and motivation, but I thought it was a law that if they sold you the oil, they had to accept the old oil back to recycle?
     
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    I think a big part of is, I'm just getting too old for this sh!t @TILLY :D

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