Tundra and Cummins?

I was just thinking about this the other day, Will Toyota ever create there own version of a RAM 3500 complete with Cummins turbo diesel? or their own version of said motor.The picture does provide some nice food for thought. original link

 

It’s been talked about quite a bit on here. But I don’t think they’d ever do a full HD diesel personally. There would be just too much R&D for them to put their name on it and want to stand behind it compared to the actual sales that would be there. Just my thoughts on it. Do I think it would be bad ass? No doubt about! I see a diesel of some type possibly someday or more likely a turbo 6.

 

I don’t think it will ever happen.

 

If they do an HD truck it would probably have some type of variant of a Hino engine.

http://www.hino.com/toyota.html

 

And if they put a half-ton diesel together it's probably going to be some type of variant of the 4.5 twin turbo that the LC uses in other countries.

 

reinforce the frame, heavy duty suspension,slip this bad boy in HinoJ08 inline 6 diesel 260HP 660 il-ft TORQUE
and we have a tundra 3500.
Toyota have all the pieces, there is no reason why they cant build one.

 

I'm sure Toyota has studied this, with all the emissions regulations they'd have to meet, it probably would not be profitable for them to sell a diesel truck in the USA.

Also you need to realize that all these emissions era consumer grade truck diesel trucks(Ford, GM, Dodge, take your pick) have been plauged by reliability problems related to the emissions equipment. And the fixes aren't cheap, like $5000 to replace your cat converter on a newer diesel truck. If you don't have to pass emissions, a lot of guys take all that stuff off and have their truck retuned to run without it.

And its not just meeting the emissions regulations, its making all that stuff last and not cost the owner a ton of $$$$ down the road. That's the Toyota philosophy, which is going to cost Toyota a lot more $$$$ than the big 3, who don't really give a crap, as long as the customer doesn't bring it in under warranty.

 

Why?

 

Financially, it will be a loss for Toyota. Sales will never support the R&D cost, diesel fuel costs more, you pay a premium for the motor and the longevity of the truck will be no different than the gas versions. Just do not see lots of buyers for that half ton market.

 

I cant see it happening. That's a completely new platform. The tundra is a nice truck but it's not the same as a 25/3500 truck.

 

Exactly what my service manager said today, NO Diesel they would have to change it up drastically! He said it would work if they put one in a Tacoma!

 

I think I remember reading somewhere that Toyota was going to go the HD route but then the 08 depression hit and they decided to scrap it. I honestly would not know if there would be enough demand for it at the moment.

 

Toyota needs to build a heavy half ton something that would actually have realistic pay loads for there tow rating. Let the big three have the 3/4 ton and up market

 

Factor in one more thing...diesel prices are about to increase due to some regulations requiring further reduction of sulfur.
So if you really need a diesel, you’ll be paying more for the ownership experience.

 

Can anyone explain to me why every big box and auto parts store has boxes and boxes of diesel fuel additive lined up at their front windows?

 

Friends dad got one of these to haul his work trailer and 5th wheel camper. Caterpillar matched to an Alison transmission. Does it all and then some. $$$$

 

The power plant of the Tundra is awesome. It has more HP and TQ than the gas engine offered in the Chevy 3500 (6.0) and 4Hp shy of the F350 (6.2). The Dodge 6.4 Hemi is the real standout at something like 430Hp?

What I'm suggesting is that the 5.7 is almost directly inline with other gas engine offerings that other manufacturers put in their 1 ton trucks. The Tundra would benefit from frame, transmission, axle, and suspension upgrades to increase payload capacity. The 5.7 could use a refresh and even a little more displacement, but I'm not inclined to say going the diesel route makes any sense for Toyota. I actually hope that Toyota does not completely can the 5.7 platform when they redesign the Tundra.

The Tundra is completely capable power wise, even when stacked up to the 1 ton gas trucks. It just needs an HD version to handle payload duties.

 

The IMO (International Maritime Organization) has new regulations that will come into effect in 2020. It requires marine vessels to use low sulfur diesel, which is not required of them today. It is estimated that 5% of the global oil demand is used by the shipping industry. The diesel we use is further refined to reduce sulfur emissions. The shipping industry uses this "leftover" diesel from the process. When refineries are forced to further refine this "leftover" diesel to meet the IMO regulations, costs will increase. These costs will be absorbed in the overall cost of diesel, meaning our diesel will cost more as well. Please note that I use the term "leftover" very loosely here, refining oil into gas, diesel and other components is pretty complex and I don't pretend to be an expert.

 

Someone here suggested this or similar truck for a car hauling business, which I will probably go with for a team hauling business.

I MAY (i'll probably rent at this point) in the future need a heavy duty truck for hauling construction equipment and materials for a house we are building, especially now that I have discovered CLT (CROSS LAMENTED TIMBER)

that was the biggest hino I could find.

I asked my Mechanic which of the big 3 was the best, he said cummins.


One of the reasons I was looking at diesels is that my mechanic told me even though I will pay 10,000 more for the motor alone I would get over 500,000+ miles out of it, of course by the time that happens I will have gone through a couple of transmissions and rebuilt EVERYTHING else i'm guessing.

 

3/4 ton truck cost more to insure and register every year. My last truck was 3/4 ton didn't really need it but it had great stopping power for towing through the mountains. I do not tow heavy loads but it would be nice to put a camper like the four wheel camper and be able to tow the boat at the same time with out being over weight on the pay load.

 

I had a 1996 Dodge with the Cummins in it. It had the Bosch P7100 pump. I sold it in 2014 with 286k on it. The motor has never so much as had the valves out of adjustment. It's a beast of engine and will handle a lot of modifications. Their basic block design remained unchanged over numerous years. Now the cab and the front core support was getting ready to have rust issues and I needed more space for the family. There was something very satisfying about that truck hammer down in 4th gear. Overall it was a good truck.