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Tires with 3 ply sidewalls

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by JLS in WA, Apr 28, 2025 at 10:22 AM.

  1. Apr 28, 2025 at 10:22 AM
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    A recent hunting trip was significantly altered when I blew a sidewall on a Toyo ATIII. I’m not 100% positive a 3 ply sidewall would’ve made the difference, but nearly all of my recent flats have been sidewall related. I think it’ll be a must have for my next set of tires.

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    What are your go to 3 ply models? Looking at Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT, Duratrac RT, Wildpeak AT and RT, Toyo RT trail.
     
  2. Apr 28, 2025 at 11:09 AM
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    BFG KO3 isn't an option huh?

    A buddy just put some on his 2500 and went over Vail Pass, CO in snow/slush/rain in 2wd. He said these are totally different from the KO2's.

    The Michelin tires are pretty tough on the sidewall too.

    Hard to choose a tire that isn't going to kill the fuel economy due to weight.
     
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    They aren’t explicitly out.

    It seems when I buy lighter tires I have sidewall issues. The fuel economy was quickly eclipsed with the replacement cost.
     
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    You could also check out Kenda Klever R/T. They have what they call a “Triple Threat Sidewall”. They also have a lot of lugs on the side which should give some protection. I don’t put mine to the test offroad though, so honestly can’t speak to their durability too much. They have good tread wear and traction though.

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    Cooper uses Armor-Tek3 on several of their tires. I had a set of Cooper S/T Maxx's with Armor-Tek3 on my 07 Tunny. Quite decent.
     
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    Isn't that the truth?
     
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    I really like Duratracs, but I’ve had two of them ruined from sidewall puncture/laceration (not the new RT model). I’ve also ruined a Cooper AT3, and most recently this Toyo.

    I’m over 10-15 lbs in weight.
     
  9. Apr 29, 2025 at 9:12 PM
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    What are snow manners like?
     
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    Do you like them in winter conditions? A buddy of mine has a set of these, I didn’t realize they were three ply sidewall.
     
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    Decent. The Discoverer Stronghold AT is a new offering worth checking out.
     
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    Snow and mud had very good performance. Started getting a bit noisy, but if that doesn't bother you....

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/kenda-klever-at2-tires.78698/
     
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    2 ply sidewall unfortunately…
     
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    I see you had the ATs and these are the more aggressive RTs. Reading that thread I saw your decibel meter on the highway. Ironically my cab read 72.5db at 73mph using the RTs 5k miles on them vs your 76-83 on lower mileage ATs at 60mph. I also have some rowdy exhaust. Differences in phone/app used I guess could be a factor too.

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    Good point.

    Probably the phone and app. Only thing my post proved is the differences on my phone/app in my truck between the two tires.

    Kinda funny what we get used to and what triggers our brains. My Mustang is rather loud and very pleasing. Hell, even the road noise is ridiculous. Now for my truck, for some reason I like it pretty quiet.

    I'm a weirdo.
     
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    I have been happy with the AT2s. A few times I was sure I had damage and nothing.
     
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    In the snow, man, as long as you have weight in your bed, the ST MAXX are bomb proof and offer steroidal traction! I love mine and yes, they are heavier than your standard load tire but it's sure nice knowing you'll make it to wherever you're headed. I've had mine in the northern belt of the US and they've been terrific on road trips, driving through the snow, mud, and rocks. I have them on all of mine and my family member's vehicles as they are the best tire I've rocked. They're considered a commercial all terrain.
     
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    One of my buddies ran the ST Max and was very pleased with the performance. He drove all over western Canada and Alaska for months without any traction issues.

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    They're definitely needed in AK! That's where I discovered the use-case! Rocks love kissing sidewalls, these things throw them off and keep moving. Great for towing, too!
     
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    If I had a dedicated fun car just for kicks I may want a quiet truck too. For now it has to scratch all the itches for me, so loud it is as far as exhaust! Tires I do not care to hear regardless. These RTs are a little louder than the Toyo ATs and Falken ATs that I have had before, although people say Falkens get loud with miles but never had mine long enough to find out. That said they aren’t loud enough to bother me like an MT tire, and it’s worth the tradeoff to me personally for the super agressive appearance just from a looks standpoint. They’re also surely better in offroad performance than any AT. Otherwise I’d have swapped them for Toyo ATs again by now. These RTs are also not that heavy despite being E rated and 3 ply sidewall, 63 lbs each confirmed with a refrigerant scale in 285/75r18 (35x11.50).
     
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    I also had a set of Discoverer STT Pro MT's with Armor-Tek3. Nice tires. Very heavy. Decent on deep snow.
     
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    Tires are so individually chosen for a plethora of different reasons. I think it's kinda interesting.

    The BFG KO2 is a fine example. For me, these are pretty good all around tires in CO. Now the slush and heavy rain one better watch out.
    For someone in the PNW, the KO2's are probably at the bottom of the list due to regional weather performance.
    Towing and tread life are very good on the KO2. Another consideration if the primary purpose is towing.

    If you don't wanna watch, still at a good tread depth with 116k miles of towing.
     
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    So true. I really liked the DuraTracs that I had on my 09 Taco. Performed great in most road conditions while driving up to AK and while there. Downside....sidewalls are thin and tread wore quickly with the softer rubber compound.
    Had to edit. Ha
     
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    I’d suggest the Nokian Outposts but I think they are a 2 ply sidewall as well. The LT sizes have Kevlar in the tread cap and sidewalls; P rated only have it in the tread cap.

    Of the ones you mentioned, I’d be inclined towards the Mickeys - they have a lot of rubber in a lot of places and are heavy but robust. Else, the Cooper ST maxx and ST Pro have some heavy duty sidewall tech. It’s older tech but that doesn’t mean inferior. They strike a good balance between weight and robustness as they typically only weigh a few pounds heavier than say the Cooper AT3 (or I guess now Stronghold AT) equivalent.

    Interested to see what you end up with.
     
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    I have heard the Outposts are a very strong tire though. I put Nokian tires on my daughter's car (all weather) and they have performed very well.
     

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