22 Capstone “Multiple” Engine Part Failures

Silver Capstine w/26k miles
Driving in freeway when a severe shaking occurred. Thought I was driving on the so-called “Drunk Bumps”. I wasn’t so I knew something was wrong. Let off gas and ride smoothed out. About a mile from my office at that point. Stopped at a light and the most terrible banging began coming out from under the hood. Drove gingerly 25 mph for the final mile. Called dealer I bought it from and they directed me to Toyota Roadside and I was told not to drive it. I didn’t hear anything by the end of the day so I called. All my service advisor said was “we have multiple catastrophic engine part failures. We’re going to need your truck for 3 to 4 weeks. We have part shortages along with metal fragments throughout that we have to send it out to be cleaned correctly. This is the second one in 2 months we’ve had.” Since I was leaving for 10 days that night, I was lucky enough to get $50 a day at Enterprise to rent a vehicle with. 6 hour drive in a Rav 4 was not my version of ideal. I called and asked if I am going to tell someone what is wrong with it what would I say? “Great question. I don’t know the answer but will get one from the “Tech” and call you back. No call.
Anybody think my truck will ever be the same again?

 

Yikes!

 

Sorry. Not the good first post you were wanting I'm sure. But you'll get proper support here. If yours is the 2nd one in 2 months, what were the problems on the first one?

 

Sounds like oil the starvation causing main bearing failure that many have experienced on the early Gen 3 TTV6. Several threads going on this. Sorry about your truck OP. Will it ever be the same? Depends on how well they tear down and reassemble it for you. So far, it’s a short block replacement re-using your internals that we see being performed. 3-4 weeks would be a monumentally fast turn around based on the average downtime we hear. Probably said that just to keep you from going all lemon law outta the gate.

 

I'm calling bullshit on 50 bucks & the Rav4!
WTF!
You bought a brand new truck (I'm assuming) and at 26K the engine self implodes,not your fault and not your problem, they are aware of this problem & not their first Rodeo!
I can understand the Rav4 in a pinch but they have to give you something closer to a volume sized vehicle and definitely not just drop you an additional $50.
And hey, leave your carcass here for a month and we'll call you in a month.

 

Yup,I would be doing backwards donuts (probably the only way to roast those tires) in the dealership parking lot until they found something adequate...
Just saying.

 

That is so strange for it to happen at 26k. You would think if it was an assembly issue or bad part, it would fail almost immediately, after that you would think it would be smooth sailing well over 100k with proper maintenance.

What did your oil pressure gauge show leading up to this event?

 

The dealership techs are going to get great hands on training rebuilding your engine. It will never be the same.

Get it fixed and trade it in.

 

Number 46

https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/

 

That's about the average failure mileage we've seen on here.

 

I have 25k on my 22'

 

Keep track of all of your repair orders. Keep track of the number of days it is in for repair. Check your states lemon law and see what it says about making the manufacture purchase your truck back from you. I went thought this with GM and it took 2 1/2 years but I got all my money back. It could have gone faster had I got a lemon law lawyer in the first place to handle my case. They do not charge you anything to do the case. But make sure they will go to court for you if the manufacture does not settle. The first one I got; I did not know they would not go to court if the settlement did not meet what I paid for the truck so I had to get one that would go to court. GM settled right before we were scheduled to go to court.

 

It was funny, and probably had some truth to it. It's the way I feel about letting anyone else work on my truck. Probably deleted to keep things a bit cleaner by the mods. Some times the hammer swings lower than others.

 

Lots of sensitivity this Friday morning.

 

Update:
Going into the 6th week without my truck. Still driving the RAV4.
The dealership is blaming the external company that had to “thoroughly clean the engine due to metal fragments throughout” taking longer than expected. Trying to get relief from Toyota Finance on lease payment. Very hard to get anyone on the phone.
Friends Capstone at 28k miles had the same
thing happen 2’weeks after mine. Still in shop too. Lemon Law in my state expires at 24 months or 24k miles. How convenient. Not sure if I have any recourse. Does anyone know of a phone number to Toyota external from the dealer network that might advocate for me with the dealer? Researching legal recourse now.

What a BS scenario to be put through. I can’t even get a straight answer. It’s like they are being told what to say by Toyota Corporate.

So upset that it is almost comical and I feel
their “top Sr Tech” does not know what they are doing.

 

Yea I would recommend lawyering up. Surely there is some loophole they can find in all the fine print. Definitely sucks to be without a truck for 6 weeks and you definitely shouldn’t have to make payments on something you aren’t driving. Best of luck to you. Hope you get it all squared away!

 

Just curious why the payments should stop? Clearly a warranty issue and he should address that as well as the adequate loaner vehicle, but finance company (a separate company) isn't responsible for that.

 

I was curious about this too. Thought I read somewhere that if you stop making payments you can't move forward with lemon law. I could easily be mistaken about that but If you do quit making payments, the lender could have the truck repossessed. Totally sucks to make payments on something you haven't driven for so long but make sure you research what can happen if you do stop.

 

I do not know the law in your state but I am in Michigan and we have a lemon law. 30 days out of service in the first two years and its a lemon. Get a lemon law lawyer to help you but make sure he or she is licensed to take the case all the way to court if you have to. It took me two years with the right lawyer to get all my money back on a GM product and I now have a Toyota tundra.

 

Really sorry that it happened to you OP ... I hope it gets resolved soon.

Were there any symptoms of this issue before total failure? I own a 22 Capstone and have done about 47K miles. Reading about these experiences - really makes me anxious.
I would have traded it in - however it has already depreciated by about 42% - 45% (going by KBB values).

 

My dealer has so many Tundras stacking up and zero Rav 4s if they wanted to pull a loaner out of stock it might be a Tundra.

I do miss the GM days when I had a diesel 2500. GM would rent you an equivalent GM vehicle at Enterprise. They rarely had pickup truck so GM ponied up for Escalade or a Yukon Denali everytime they had to keep it overnight

 

Trading in my 22 this afternoon for a 24. I have 20k on it, no Moter issues (yet). Had 7 things repaired on it and recalls handled. Folks say never buy the first year of a new model vehicle. I bought a 07 tundra, the first year of the 5.7 motors. Never had an issue with the truck until 80k. Starter went out. I'm a Toyota lover but it sucks they got this wrong with the 22's. Should be a recall on them. I'm live in a small town in central Arizona, our local dealer has had 6 motors go out. Crazy.

 

so you want them to recall all 2022 tundras based on the small handful with the problem?

thats not even reasonable, I mean I know it sucks if you have a problem , but they are also fixing all of them that do.

 

I had a dream....

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I would like Toyota to do something proactive. My truck is about a year into the Gen 3 production, which I thought would be good enough time to wait. Now it is a bit of a crap shoot with these earlier trucks and not knowing if it is your turn. Any resale will be reduced based of the market perception. Sure they will fix it but that's not going to help too much when you are trying not to take a bath on the depreciation.

If there was a risk of injury, then I would expect Toyota to step up but until something bad happens (I certainly hope not), they will keep it quiet. If the steering or brakes stop working on the highway doing 80 mph. This could be bad and they are totally capable of not letting that happen. I trusted Toyota to make a decent vehicle, nothing super cool or loaded with bells and whistles, just safe and reliable like the 2021's and earlier.

We expect to use the Tundra for more towing in the next few years. What happens to the braking if the engine has stopped and I need get out of the way on the highway as my speed plummets and my trailer is a target for the rapidly approaching traffic. I hope my signals are still working!

For me to get an 18 month newer truck now, I would be looking at trading in my late 2022 with 4,500 miles on it and adding $25,000 to get a newer one (same plain Limited build) without knowing if the engine is better now. I think I am screwed either way! I lose money on the resale value (if I could even sell a 2022 Tundra) or I lose money on the trade. Or I keep it and plan for Engine Changes rather than Oil Changes. I haven't seen such a money vacuum before other than the Slots in Reno. The reality part is that my dealership knows a 2022 Tundra will be a paperweight on their lot so they really don't want it. Even with low miles and lots of extra stuff.

I could probably do a bit better with a private sale but then there is that whole private seller thing to deal with.

I was thinking about reaching out to Toyota to see what it would cost to replace the main bearings, thinking that this would be something that I could do to take back some of this out-of-control madness.

I think I may be feeding the mass hysteria or at least the Gen 2 crowd!

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Then I woke up.

 

I do. Just my own opinion. 46 on this forum alone. Many many others on other platforms. Picked up my new one today. Lunar rock color very excited. My service guy says they just completed repairs on another bad motor. Took a total of 3 months start to finish. It's an inconvenience for anybody that goes through this, and sure Toyota is making repairs. But this is not the Toyota that we've been spoiled with for a long time. Again, just my opinion.

 

HEY, not to be a smart arse but 2021 is not option on the form. Wadup? LOL. Sorry, couldn't resist

 

The legendary Honda J series V6 engine is getting recalled for (I think) spinning bearings in this same manner - A supplier issue apparently but here have been 1500 failures and they want to open all engines and possibly give new engines to 1% that require them. My Acura MDX is part of the recall, along with some years of Ridgeline, Odyssey, Pilots, and several Acura models.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...d-due-to-possible-engine-seizing-a1057164491/

 

So I had a 2019 Ridgeline (possible spinning of bearings) now I have a 2022 Tundra (possible spinning of bearings). Seems like I am getting primed for a 2025 F150 (possible spinning bearings)

Thank you Honda and Toyota for seeing into my future and preparing me for the inevitable!