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How to adjust my starting from a standstill.

Discussion in '1st Gen Tundras (2000-2006)' started by jnqpublic, Jul 29, 2022.

  1. Jul 29, 2022 at 7:52 PM
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    jnqpublic

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    OK, '04, access, 4.7, 4X, with tow package. (Nope, not for sale!)
    Somewhat frustrated about the need to ultra control the pressure required on the gas pedal from a standstill to moving.
    On gravel, near impossible to not be spewing gravel on forward movement from a stand still. Blacktop, is more better but not at all difficult to squeak tires unnecessarily. In a line of stopped cars beginning to move, would be ultra easy to rear end the rig in front of me!
    Seems there's 1/16"-1/8" ("maybe" slight embellishment) of pedal pressure between super slow granny creep and jet-charged ramming speed.
    My understanding is dap tune for 1st gens isn't an option, but what the heck is the option for these rigs, please, to make it a smoother/easier/with less power to transition from a stop to rolling much less fast?
    And what is needed for the home mechanic to do it themselves.
    Or general cost for a shop to do it?
    And does toning down the quick start mode settle the fuel usage any?
     
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  2. Jul 29, 2022 at 7:57 PM
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    Then you are stopping too close to the vehicle in front of you.
     
  3. Jul 29, 2022 at 7:58 PM
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    I don't remember when Toyota went to electronic throttle control, but if it's still drive by wire like the earlier trucks, your throttle cable could be too tight.
     
  4. Jul 29, 2022 at 8:21 PM
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    I had that gen tundra. Zero issues with throttle. If the tires have tread then Idk what to say. You make it sound like it’s a dragster taking off the line. Ffs
     
  5. Jul 29, 2022 at 8:27 PM
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    The throttles are sensitive on these.. not early 5.7 tundra levels of sensitive.. but yea. I have not found a solution yet.
     
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  6. Jul 29, 2022 at 8:28 PM
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    Never had any issues in a 1st gen but to each their own. Bigger tires would decrease the force between the tire and ground, making it harder to chirp them and effectively give you less gearing.
     
  7. Jul 29, 2022 at 10:56 PM
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    Pardon my maybe making it more serious than it actually may be.
    I'm simply looking for some means other than ultra control on the gas pedal to better ease into rolling from a stop rather than my truck using so much more of its power than necessary to get going, as well as toning down the tendency to readily jump into low gear when rolling along at say less than 25 mph and speeding up.
     
  8. Jul 29, 2022 at 11:04 PM
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    Advice in another forum was focus on "throttle positioning sensor".
    Does adjusting this allow toning down the overuse of power in this truck starting out, when not needing to carry or pull a load?
    Me thinks kinda the thing a dap tune would do in newer Tundras, regulating power or the shifting points.
     
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  9. Jul 30, 2022 at 2:17 AM
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    w666

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    I have this exact vehicle, and the exact same problem. I've learned to drive as if there was an egg between my foot and the pedal. My other Toyotas are normal.
     
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  10. Jul 30, 2022 at 7:46 AM
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    snoope

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    I have only had my '02 since May BUT If I behave with the "Skinny pedal " it does just fine o_O but "knock it half way "and :burnrubber:..

    Mileage will never be the same as my Tacoma BUT if I behave on short trips it will get 16-19 mpg and around town the "bad" has been 11-13 mpg. :cool:

    With the Michelins at all 4 corners this thing will "dance" after a Florida rain, just about sideways if I think I'm young enough :rofl::rofl::rofl::fistbump:

    The best feature I have found is just like the Taco ; put it in 4-hi and let it "walk" in sugar sand ,tires fully inflated..... :thumbsup:I am on the fence about a compressor/air tank so no "airing down" quite yet...
     
  11. Jul 30, 2022 at 8:04 AM
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    I'm pretty sure it's possible to adjust the throttle position sensor and/or throttle plate, isn't it? I swore I saw a reset process on that, but strapped for time and can't look.

    I'm wondering if OP's may be tuned poorly so a slight tap of the pedal puts the truck @ WOT or something.
     
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  12. Jul 30, 2022 at 8:12 AM
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    1) You don't need to ride ass on the car in front of you. Just stop a little farther away at red lights, leave a few more feet of space.

    2) on green, wait for the car in front to start moving and let them pull away a couple yards.

    3) Gun it.
     
  13. Jul 30, 2022 at 8:26 AM
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    What about a throttle controller like Hike it? Then run eco mode.
     
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  14. Jul 30, 2022 at 11:19 AM
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    Exactly!!! Perfect description of what I go through starting from scratch (no pun intended). Thank you for that description.
    And folks, that is exactly what I'm asking about changing/tweeking.
     
  15. Jul 30, 2022 at 11:24 AM
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    I've looked at videos to adjust the throttle positioning sensor. Thankfully, appears very easy (after double checking the area of it on my Tundra) to do but would like some input from someone who understands these gizmos to say yay or nay on that is what I need to be targeting to lessen my need for non egg breaking control on the gas pedal.
     
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    #1. I just don't do that.
    #2. That I do, but treating the gas pedal like there's a raw unbroken egg under it, by the time I'm rolling, I'm "close to" being honked at for taking too long to roll forward.
    #3. That's what my truck wants to do that I want to avoid.
     
  19. Jul 30, 2022 at 11:53 AM
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    When I test drove the truck I nearly wrecked it as it lurched forward. Toyota certainly didn't ship the truck with a "hair trigger" throttle. Age and wear/tear are the cause. I haven't looked into it much since I learned to cope. I imagine that the throttle control pedal is sorta like some big ass potentiometer, and perhaps there's a flat spot or some "foreign matter" somewhere inside. I want to spray Deoxit inside, but there's no obvious way to do so. I once investigated a new replacement pedal, which may or may not be p/n 78120-34030. I didn't want to blow ~$200 until I was sure it would solve the problem. It could just as well be on the throttle body side of the equation (way more $$$). So here we are...

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Jul 30, 2022 at 11:59 AM
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    The pedal commander is exactly what you need.

    It'll give you 36 increments of adjustment.
    But they are not 0-36...where it just keeps getting stronger as you go up.

    0 is the baseline....and you can go +/- 16....so if you go from 0 to +16 it's making it more responsive and jumpy-er

    And 0 to -16 retards the throttle incrementally.

    Basically you will have 16 settings that are slowing the throttle down.

    I love my pedal commander.
     
  21. Jul 30, 2022 at 12:11 PM
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    Definitely encourages the idea to focus in on my TPS. Thanks, (I think).
    Video I looked at for the TPS showed moveability/adjustability due to slotted bolt holes rather than round holes. But they are talking using a voltmeter (which I have 2-3 of) to do the adjustment , but I'm lacking in the understanding of electronics, and the total function of "this" sensor. Mechanics, for me tends to be straight forward and "see-able". Not so with electricity, especially when they use it to move things mechanically.
     
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    I believe (90% certain) that the TPS is NOT replaceable this version of the throttle body.
     
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  23. Jul 30, 2022 at 12:29 PM
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    A lot of what you're expressing is where I'm at. Not satisfied, yet, to learn to cope with this. Believe there is a specific issue that I "should" be able to tweek to solve my problem.
    Not at all, nor ever been, one to throw parts at an issue or "try" this or that, without actually knowing "the actual problem" needing fixed.
    A video I watched for the TPS shows adjustability in the body due to slotted bolt holes, rather than round holes. I'm mechanically inclined, not electric inclined, so hesitant to be changing electric signals without a fair understanding of the result from my adjustments. And yeah, I have volt meters to give me readings of that electricity, that I don't understand all that well.
    Not at all convinced it is a throttle body or gas pedal needing cleaned. More the need to change the point where it jumps into ramming speed!
     
  24. Jul 30, 2022 at 12:57 PM
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    shifty`

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    From the video above, at least some of the throttle body are serviceable.
     
  25. Jul 30, 2022 at 1:44 PM
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    Should not make a difference of year but like you I have an 04. I can not offer what is a fix for your problem but I can offer that mine does not exhibit this problem. I have no problem easing off the line in traffic and while it should not matter, I’m of Baby Boomer age but I don’t have to baby the throttle and don’t have to worry about cracking an egg.
    Have you cleaned your throttle body lately ?
     

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