For those of you (us) who drive aggressively

Keep in mind, many vehicles have video cameras and folks will happily provide video to law enforcement. Apparently you don't have to hurt others for the law to get your black box info and charge you with a crime. They got a warrant for Tiger's black box because they "think he may have committed a crime".
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tiger-woods-deputies-crash-did-not-remember-driving-report

 

Well he does have a history of driving under the influence. So I could see their reasoning.

Why they also didn't ask for a blood sample is weird if you ask me.

 

It's possible that the insurance company requested that the black box be recovered which would require a warrant and for Leo's to carry out the warrant order.

 

I'm sure they got a sample at the hospital. Access to the black box info when there is no other individuals involved is odd. He is solely responsible for all damages without a doubt. They just want to put the screws to him.

 

So, this brings up another issue. People will find that their insurance will not cover them if they are committing a crime or are injured during the commission of a crime.

 

Yes there are samples at the hospital I am sure, the police have not gotten a warrant for them. Which is weird.

 

The black box simply records data such speed, braking, among other things. At a minimum there is careless driving and property damage. You can be in a solo accident here in Colorado and get a careless driving ticket which is technically a crime. Tiger is lucky he is not dead and didn't injure or kill someone. You don't have to be impaired to get a careless driving ticket.

 

Careless and Wreckless is about as bad as a DUI. They used to just give you a failure to maintain control. Now, they get what they can dig up and the warrant apparently does't have to be specific. Just, "we think".

 

The black box, the lack of testing, it is all because it's Tiger Woods

It wouldn't be happening if it was Joe Schmo.

More and more do have dashcams, so if you do cut someone off and that causes an accident in your RVM, you could get blamed for it. But it's highly unlikely they are going to get a warrant for any of our black boxes or dashcam video, unless it causes bodily harm or worse.

 

They record more than enough to tell if you were driving carelessly.
EDR_QAs_11Aug2006.pdf

 

Yep

 

There is no difference between getting Tiger's data and yours or mine. It's either legal or not.
I run 360* video on my vehicles and have provided video evidence of stupidity on several occasions. Mostly when I was on a motorcycle or bicycle. Got a few with assault with a vehicle and failure to pass safely (not + 3ft) while I was riding my road bike. people can't seem to understand the bicycles own the right most 3 ft of the lane and there is a minimum of 3 ft clearance to pass between the cyclist and the vehicle which includes the mirror.

 

I understand the legalities of it. And I fully agree with civilians offering up video footage of a reckless driver. It will start happening more and more. I use mine to show the kids how stupid people are on a daily bases in my drive to and from work and to make sure they are safe on the road when they start driving.

What I'm saying is, they aren't getting warrants for me speeding or cutting someone off. The lack of testing is preferential treatment or "lapse of judgement" or whatever you want to call it. Like when they forget to get a breath sample from a drunk driving cop off duty.

 

A couple of years ago there was an accident here where a vehicle ran off the road and the driver was killed. The vehicle in front of him did a break check on him, and he veered to keep from hitting him. Obviously it didn't end well for him, but the other driver was charged with reckless driving and vehicular manslaughter. The video was obtained from the dash cam of the car that ran off the road.

 

After my wife got T-Boned and her SUV written off last year and he tried to blame her, I put dashcams in both our vehicles.

He ended up at fault, but it was a he said she said scenario.

I am PRO-Dashcam and think in the next decade, they will be mandatory for new vehicles.

 

And if the police don't do this (conduct a complete investigation) it'll because he's famous and he gets special treatment. The police can't win. Why would the police want to put the screws to him. How does that benefit the police. All they are getting out of this is more paperwork. If Tiger, or witnesses can't tell the police what happened then they look to the black box to determine the cause of the crash. Just because you crash a car and don't hit anyone else does not mean you get a pass.

Also this will be a big case to put on in front of a judge. Tiger will have his lawyers do their job which means everyone involved will have to testify some officers will come in on their day off or miss something with their family and for what? To put the screws to Tiger. Please. It would have been easier to call a wrecker, have it towed and walk away. But that's not an option. The police are doing their job because that's what citizens expect them to do........... well only if it benefits the citizen. Anything outside of that is just the police putting the screws to someone.

 

Also don't think this is the case. It appears that there are no witnesses and Tiger can't tell the police what happened. How do you complete a crash report without the information you typically get from a driver or witness. There is crash reconstruction but typically patrol guys on larger departments don't have this certification. Usually it's reserved for a traffic safety unit or a fatality crash team. When those guys get involved they are going to get the black box.
This stuff happens a lot. Just not to Tiger. When it's Tiger or any other celebrity it's on the news and the whole world knows. When it's Joe schmo the cops do the same stuff it's just not advertised to world because us tundra enthusiasts aren't worthy news coverage

 

You're braver than me. I don't ride on the road anymore (except for races w/ closed roads) because of how bad/aggressive drivers have gotten.

I would get up at 4AM with full neon/lights and ride on an almost totally empty 4 lane road. At least once a month someone would purposefully buzz me/tail me while on their horn/etc.

 

We all see aggressive driving happen. It makes no sense and usually just escalates road rage between two idiot drivers. If someone ultimately gets injured or killed, it makes no difference who was right, wrong or at fault. Drivers will try to antagonize another in ways that they would never attempt in other circumstances. I welcome citizen dash cams. And, if we are not breaking the law, why should anyone worry?

Regarding Tiger Woods, I'm not surprised there was no field sobriety testing done at the scene. Considering the circumstances that he was severely injured, time of day, no obvious signs of chemical impairment, etc. The priority was to get him extracted from the car and to a hospital pronto. I am certain that a toxicology screen was done at the hospital, as he was sent to surgery right away. The surgeons and anesthesiologists have to know if other substances are on board in order to safely care for him. I wouldn't expect those test results be released to the public unless he is accused of a crime. After all, he is a citizen and protected by health privacy laws (HIPPA), as are you and I.

Was/will Tiger be treated like every other individual in similar circumstances? Well of course he should be. But, in an imperfect world, celebrities, those in power and the moneyed class, will always be treated differently. It is their blessing and their curse.

 

The horn blowing establishes the fact that they see you. If there is clearance for them to pass safely, it then establishes intent of assault.

 

How new do your cars have to be to have this? Hoping mine are too old. Even if they aren't my black box is too fast for them th catch... because its black.

 

Gm started in 2005 or 2007. Mandatory for all 2010 and newer.

 

So true.....

 

Feels great to be exempt