Nitto Terra Grappler 295/70R18 Question

I previously ran the standard load version of the Terra Grappler G2s in 305/55r20. They were each 10 lbs lighter than the KO2s that I have now, also in 305/55r20.

Frankly I prefer the lighter, standard load Nitto over the KO2 for city driving. The truck was noticeably quicker off the line with those tires. And they performed fine with the bed overloaded; I was more worried about the tremendous sagging of the bed with my Pro suspension vs the tires holding up. The Nittos performed great for about 40k miles, but they were worn down by that point.

Now I'm thinking about getting those 50 lb 295's to put on some Volk TE37s for a total combined weight of 70 lbs! That will save me 30 lbs per corner over the 40 lb Methods and 60 lb KO2s that I'm running now. For reference, my truck is supercharged and I'm waiting on gears. Should be good fun!

 

The APT is the recommended winter tire in Canada, I guess. I just saw a review on the 19 pro by “the straight pipes” and they had mentioned that specific tire.

 

Anyone have a photo of the 295/70 Terra Grappler on your truck. Just to stir the pot, I am considering this tire specifically because it is NOT a heavy LT tire.

 

Terra grapplers were the worst set of tires I ever owned. Not even close to being as good as bfg all terrains, Bridgestone dueller at revos or the hankook dynapro ATM's.

 

What’s the reason for not wanting a LT tire?

 

Significantly lower unsprung weight for better on road performance and fuel economy

 

In what situation(s)?

 

here's a vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUYqwyPJrNU

 

These are the 295 70 18 116s your talking about. They are 4 ply instead of 10. Weight around 50 lbs. I noticed a small difference in power after installing but other than that they've been great. They also have a 60,000 mile guarantee. I've noticed them wearing a little quicker than I would expect but that might be my imagination. I don't off road and I do t tow so these are perfect. I wonder why other manjfa8dont offer a lighter tire for mall.rawlers. I think they're missing a huge market.

 

^^ Looks good, what wheels are those?

 

Vision rockers in black +20 offset

 

In all reality, D rated tires would be plenty for almost all truck tires. Back when 16s were the standard truck size, all the tires were D’s. But now they want to sell us more expensive stuff so they go e rated as a “standard” Lt tire

 

I've been really interested in your posts because these tires are exactly what I want to get next. Your tires look great.

You're exactly right on the light tires - my Jeep had 33x12.50r15 C-rated Duratracs and I was able to squeeze 21.0MPG out of them because they were lightweight.

I hate to ask you this but I must because I drive 20k+ miles per year - did you lose much MPG? I am hoping no change.

 

Anyone put these on their Tundra lately? I like the idea of a 6 ply vs. 10ply tire

I have a Falcon tow/haul kit in the garage and 90% sure I'll be going with Evo Corse wheels, 18x8.5 et40. Thinking I'm going to go with the ~1" setting on the Falcons and a small shackle out back to maintain the rake, CB+1 or +2. I'm currently running 275.60r20 winters on stock everything and there is no rubbing anywhere. This is on a 2021 platinum crewmax

I'm stuck between the nitto terras in a 295.70r18, the nitto RGs in a 285.70r18 (wish there was more options in this size) or something in a 275.70r18 and play it safe fitment wise, which is almost identical to my winter set up in both diameter and width

I'm not sure the 295s will fit with the mild lift up front, without going to the 'leveled' setting on the Falcons and potentially needing UCAs etc...

 

I just recently put these TG 295/70R18 non LT on my 21 Pro. I was sold on them for their light weight in this size. But unfortunately, I’m a bit undecided with them after a week of use. I love the look. But it has been raining all week and I’ve had the tires slip on me several times now. That’s causing me to want to switch them out to different tire same size 295. I’m leaning heavily towards Toyo AT3s or back to Nitto RG. I originally had Nitto RG 275/65R18 non LT and aside from wanting a bigger tire, I didn’t have any issues with them.

 

That's one bad-ass Tundra. If anything, I wouldn't change the tire size. I can't speak to the RG's but I have 295/70 R18 Cooper Discoverers AT3 XL on my 2016 CM with TRD Pro suspension. So far, I have zero complaints.

 

Can you share a photo or two of the coopers on your Tundra? Don’t think I’ve seen much views on them yet.

 

Sure. Here's one before after after a 1" rear shackle lift..

 

Nice! The coopers look good! How many miles you have on them? And zero complaints on wet road?
Also about the 1” rear shackle lift. That’s something I want to do too because I tow a 20ft boat in the summer and don’t want I have too much squat. What all did you do with the shackles? Did you install anything else like shims, carrier bearing drop kit, etc? I only want to add shackles and leave everything else alone. I like that slight rake look because it just gives me more confidence in my trucks load carrying capabilities.

 

Many Thanks for the compliments. Also, no complaints on wet roads. The tires are pretty new and have about 2,000 miles. If you check out post #28 on the following thread you'll see my shackle information:
www.tundras.com/threads/too-much-rake.82228/#post-2077715

 

Thanks for the feedback. I actually just picked up a set of Cooper AT3 XLT that were on sale at a local shop for 25% off, so one free tire made my decision a little easier for sure. They tip the scales at 61.8lbs a piece so they are ~11lbs heavier than the TGs but all the reviews I've seen on them are positive. Now I just need my wheels to show up so I can put the Falcon kit and these tires on!

 

Funny you say that. The Nitto TGs are gone after one week. Cooper AT3 XLT are on now!
Before and After.

 

Looks great! I know you didn't have the TGs on for very long, but would you say there is a noticeable difference between the two with the 11lbs weight change? I agonized over wheel/tire weight for way too long and I'm just curious if you feel a change or not

 

See that was my exact dilemma too. I wanted a big tire but really didn't want to put 70pounds of tire per corner. My truck came nitto RGs 275/65R18 XL (non LT) that weight 45lbs. That's why I went with nitto TGs non LT. Only 295/70R18 tire that weights 50pounds. But after a week of driving on the the TGs, I realized I was babying my truck because for some odd reason, I just had an uneasy feeling that the damn tires would pop any second! Just look how squishy the TGs look in my earlier picture. Especially in the front and that was at 40psi. Max is 44psi on these non LTs.

Also it had rained all last week and my truck was slipping and sliding all over the roads. Just couldn't hold grip on the wet roads. Never had these problems with the factory nitto RGs that came with my truck. But again, the 295 nitto RGs are a heavy tire and so is everything else in that size. With more digging I found the Cooper Discover AT3 XLTs and at 61lbs per tire, they are fairly light compared to the many other options. And the reviews on here are very positive.

I've only had the Coopers for 2 days now. Initially had trouble with balancing and I was getting steering wheel vibrations and wobble at 50-60mph. After two trips to my local Discount and then back to Discount further away where I got the tires from, it turned out one of the tires was not fully round and it just wasn't balancing right. Discount deemed it defective and ordered me another one and they replaced it this morning. (3 hours ago at time of this posting). No more wobble or vibrations. Still need to do more driving though to be 100% on this.

And with that aside I was able to focus on the ride of the tires and to answer your question (finally...), NO there is no discernible difference in terms of the added 11lbs. My mileage is still a WHOOPING 12.8 city - 14.3hwy average (+/- 2). No change in how the truck accelerates or takes off. No noticeable change in shifting. These tires are QUIET! My wife got in the truck this morning and after 5 minutes she was like "wow it's soo much more quiet now!" This is a big plus for me. The nitto TGs were loud and had a constant whiny sound to them. The Cooper AT3 XLTs sound more like a regular P rated highway tire. Ride feels the same. Not harder or softer. Just smooth. Like driving on a cloud! I do attribute a lot of this to my TRD Pro suspension though.

I need to mess around with the psi numbers to find what is best for me. Will be doing chalk test when I get time. Discount put 39front and 36rear. Just opposite of what my door sticker calls for. And so far soo good.

Some eye candy.

 

Thanks for the details! Hearing that the weight difference is negligible is good news, I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one analyzing tire specs and trying to find the sweet spot between size and weight

Your truck looks awesome! Can't wait to get my wheels and these tires mounted up!