Gen 4 Deal Breakers

Allot of people here say they don't want a Turbo V6, but if one came out and put out 550 hp with just a chip, intake, and exhaust, half of the people on here would be talking about how bad ass the Tundra Turbo V6 is and how it smokes everything else.

 

The problem with the turbos is reliability is less, repairs cost money and if you actually use it as a truck then you are in boost all the time and the fuel mileage goes out the window.

 

I agree and disagree with this comment. Diesel trucks use turbos almost exclusively and they seem to last forever if built right. I'm sure Toyota could build a turbo system that would meet most people's expectations (although I might have to take that back considering the thread on cam tower leaks).

As I drive in town 90% of the time a turbo V6 would be on boost most of the time and not help my mpg. This is the reason why I would still take the V8. For others, the turbo V6 should do much better on the highway MPG as well as having power at higher elevations. Obviously a V8 should stay in the lineup, but a turbo V6 does have it's place if built right.

 

Most turbos on the diesel trucks don't last forever, the motors can but turbo failures can be common. Its just another component that can break/go wrong. For me I would also be in boost most the time as I'm usually pulling a trailer, n/a v8 cant be beat for truck duty.

 

I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon but deal breakers would be:

Decreased reliability
No increase in unloaded fuel economy (towing economy is irrelevant to me, will be bad no matter what motor type)
Auto start-stop crap
No technology upgrades (Carplay/Android Auto, premium sound options etc, a la RAM/FCA with UConnect and Premium Audio systems)
Ugly exterior and ugly interior
Limited interior options without any premium appointments to them other than at the very top of the line model (Again, RAM/FCA with their interiors....they're the best right now IMO)


Honestly have no problem with a twin turbo V6 if the motor can do 500k-1 million miles with no significant work needing to be performed as with the current V8's

I think they should offer a TT V6, a NA V8, and a factory supercharged V8...not a "Toyota sanctioned" kit that can be added at the dealer....a factory supercharged motor (Again RAM/FCA, beat them at their own game and have a supercharged factory truck)

 

That's what she said.

 

I wonder if the electric truck market will last:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/rivian-r1t-electric-pickup-truck/#/2

https://electrek.co/2018/01/09/workhorse-opens-reservation-electric-pickup-truck/

I love my tundra but would be nice to see the electric market grow, I live in east texas would need some strong battery's to last for long trips.

 

I think it's funny how every time we get a "new and updated" model the owner seems to pay more and get less. I bought my 2015 Taco to get a platform that had 10 years to figure out the bugs and get it right. I still have it and still love that truck. I bought a 2018 Tundra for much of the same reasons. They burn gas and some of them have the cam tower seal issue, but overall the bugs are gone and they are rock solid reliable trucks. I kinda wish I had a 2017 to avoid the sensors and bullshit in the grill, but mine hasn't given me any trouble yet. The turd gen tacos have had a ton of complaints with the auto trans. I get it that everyone wants a truck that gets 25MPG, but I can afford the gas compared to the reliability and repair bills of my buddies that have a 5.3 GM (oil burner) or a ecoboost that hasn't been right from day one. 6.5' bed crewmax would be nice at times, but the longer wheel base is annoying in the parking lot. I generally keep my trucks for 10 years, so in 2025 I guess it will be an issue when the tacoma is ready to go. The tundra doesn't see any salt so who knows how long I can keep that one LOL.

 

I'm pretty happy with the current gen. Increase the payload, fix the cam tower leak, call it good.

 

X2, problem is by 2025 were only going to be left with trucks that have all the BS on them to purchase. I was just at my local autoshow tonight and they had a 2019 Tacoma trd off-road there for 42k, my wife's 2012 trd offroad Tacoma we bought new was only 33k. Insane that in that time frame it has increased 9k in price and sitting in it I just didn't feel it was worth the extra cost. I hope the Tundra doesn't go this route. They also had the new ranger there, 45k on that truck...I bought my Tundra for 34k. Vehicles are getting crazy!

 

Check out the Dyno curves in the article below:
https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/...ter-ecoboost-v6-and-5-0-liter-v8-engines.html

The flatter torque curve in the NA is a huge plus, you don't have to be in the right spot RPM wise to get the torque you need. Combine that with the unbalanced v8 sound and it's an easy choice for me which I would buy.

 

More options like the size of the tacoma but with the 5.7 V8 with rear diff lock and crawl control or locking center diff like the landcruiser. Landcruiser seats with tacoma backseat storage, light 17” wheels like the rock warrior wheels or just continue making them again with the proper offset to avoid UCA rubs. They do that, then I’d possibly trade....

 

Inflation is a bitch. Play around with this...
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com
In 1976 my gramps retired and bought a base model gmc heavy half 2wd pickup. No a/c, am radio, automatic, 350v8....
Today's price??? You would have $15,887 to buy a base model chevy truck.
In 1966 my pops bought a corvette 327cu, 350hp 4-speed, fastback for $3550.... (gramps was PISSED!) today you would have a whopping $27,515 to go out and get yourself a brand new corvette!!!
Finally in 2015 I paid $31,500 for my tacoma crew cab TRD sport 4x4... Today you have $33,425 to buy the same truck new.

I paid $42,000 for my 2018 crew max, sr5, off road. We are losing the battle with our dollar. Salaries are not keeping up and cell phones are $1000. Cable TV? $150/month. In 2025 I just cringe at what these will cost. I might just frame off restore something cool that can be fixed in my garage and drive that. They are just trucks.
Fun fact... I still have pop's old car...

 

This is exactly why I HAVE to buy used....Unless I hit the lottery, I won't buy anything new again....and I don't play lottery anymore [/QUOTE]

 

RE @Watt maker
The car is a family heirloom. I don't feel like I own it, I'm just it's current care taker. All numbers match. The only thing non original is the paint, carb, and tires. I have the original carb. just turned 60k last summer.

 

Been waiting with baited breath for any hints for the next Gen Tundra. Maybe the last 18 months on the next gen Tundra. Why did I buy a Tundra in the first place. The #1 reason is "Reliability" It should be at the top of any ones list. No matter what comes next...

One brother is Ford fan, the other Ram fan....Both have very good working relationships with their local tow truck driver... My Tundra is my tow vehicle for my RV trailer...We do a lot of long distance trips and it has to be reliable. It just has to be...When one is driving up to Alaska towing your house behind ya, you don't need issues.

This generation Tundra is far behind the big 3 in towing capacity and payload. Many will say Toyota "under" rates the towing numbers, but they are what is posted, and that is what I follow, others do not. Any new generation truck has to catch up to the 11,000 towing plateau as the big 3 have, with Ford 1/2 tons into the 13,000 range. Even the present tongue capacity on the Tundra is pathetic 980 lbs.

The problem with towing with a smaller displacement turbo'ed V-6 is once your pushing into the 10k+ trailer area your mpg drop into the toilet (6? if your lucky). I tow a (when loaded) 7500-8000lbs RV trailer. Presently I get about 9.5 mpg. My last RV trailer 2,000 lbs lighter and 2' shorter and 18" height wise shorter I got 11.25 mpg....

So Toyota #1 you need to keep it simple to maintain the Reliability you have worked to hard to achieve. #2 Give us a little more towing, payload and tongue specs, #3 Keep it simple, but at the same time with available "proven" technologies like a 7-8 speed tranny, direct ignition...get the MPG a few clicks higher. When one is dishing out $40k+, we expect higher, softer interior panels...

 

The start stop tech stuff is a big no for me.

 

Over the last week on some YouTube videos, there is the Chicago car / truck show, where Toyota is to make an announcement about the next gen Tundra...maybe? In a "spy" photo, one notices a 6 lug wheel, vs. the old 5 lug we have now. That is a good indication of a higher payload. I lot of news / spy news in the last two weeks...over the web.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay_zPmHcbaA