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BMW Supra...

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Darkness, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Dec 31, 2018 at 8:34 PM
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    It’s nothing a MOTEC couldn’t handle. Have you seen the 2JZ swapped FRS that retains full functionality as the factory ECU? ECU and wiring wouldn’t be a big issue.

    To me, keeping it an inlines 6 really means that there will be plenty of room to swap in a 2JZ in the engine bay and have room for adequate cooling, e.g larger radiator. Trying to squeeze in a 2JZ in to a car built for a V6 or inline 4 makes it a tight squeeze.
     
  2. Dec 31, 2018 at 10:45 PM
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    I found it interesting that the article mentioned something to the effect of "if planning a 2jz swap get the 4 cyinder". They must be anticipating this swap, hopefully there are secret provisions to make it easy.
     
  3. Jan 1, 2019 at 6:21 AM
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    Toyota did a fully bespoke performance car a few years ago. I think it would be a good example of what it would have to cost these days.

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  4. Jan 1, 2019 at 7:10 AM
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    Collaboration with other manufacturers is often done to share development costs, use each other’s knowledge of specialties, and as a way to “shake hands” for potentially other collaboration and partnerships later on. There’s a lot of collaboration going on amongst auto manufacturers that isn’t publicized because it isn’t as grand as an entire car.

    However, im pretty sure that Toyota didn’t go into the collaboration with the intention to build a crappier car. Toyota knows what it’s doing. People knock on the BRZ/FRS mashup, but that is the best handling car Toyota has made in a long time (that is affordable). With the manual, it was dang near perfect (needed about 50 lb/ft torque more).

    I’m looking forward to the Supra. I don’t care that it’s not 100% Toyota if it results in a better car with Toyota reliability.
     
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  5. Jan 1, 2019 at 7:48 AM
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    Rumors on this car/concept going to production have been out there for years. Maybe someday. Hoping more for a Tundra redesign... Which will come first?
     
  6. Jan 1, 2019 at 8:03 AM
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    Reading some more about it I've seen they may not offer a manual transmission. What's the bloody point then?

    I've also see estimates that it'll sell for around $86,000. Is that USD or CAD?

    For $86,000 CAD I'd buy the Lexus RC F. 467HP with a 5.0V8.

    For $86,000 USD converting into CAD, I'd buy the Lexus C 500.


    I love the older Supras. I'm not loving this new one.
     
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  7. Jan 1, 2019 at 8:46 AM
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    I was hoping it would be a smack in the face from Toyota to the world. Instead some next level frs/brz collusion. Couldn't they have colluded with Yamaha again? Didn't they design the first I-6 for them way back when..? At least there is room for another. Ultimately I still like it, just wish it was pure Toyota/Japanese. :burp:IMG_2556.jpg
     
  8. Jan 1, 2019 at 9:09 AM
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    Yup exactly!! Agreed! If it’s not all Toyota no thanks!!
     
  9. Jan 1, 2019 at 9:23 AM
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    It isnt like Toyota is trying to build something for the first time, ground up, like the LFA. They have several Supra-like models in the Lexus lineup.
     
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    That figure is probably from an older article. The newer articles are saying it'll probably be in the 40K range (USD) it doesn't make sense to price it that high because of the specs. 330 - 350 HP. There are a lot more car you can buy for $80K. i.e. Corvette, M3, RCF, Shelby 350, RS5
     
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    Do you mean the i4, v6 or v8 powered ones? Would it be more or less "Supra" as a reskinned RC350?
     
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    Interesting. I haven't seen the newer pricing. But yeah, it's still to high. $40K USD puts it around $54K CAD. The 86 comes in around $30K, topping out at $40K for the max trim levels. Only 200HP, but 100hp isn't worth $10 - $20K imho.

    The 86 is a cool little car and very Supra-esque. Not sure why they wouldn't put a more powerful engine in it and rebrand it as Supra 2.0.
     
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    Because Supra is a “halo” car for Toyota. It has to be more special and meaningful than just a more powerful 86/FRS.
     
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    Any of the above is more Toyota than a Z4. Keep in mind its coming with a 2.0 4 cylinder option anyhow.
     
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    I agree it's more Toyota, but I asked whether it'd be more "Supra"
     
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    Would an all Toyota-built car be more of a "Supra" than a Z4 with a hard top? Yes, it would. An inline 6 built by BMW doesn't make it more of a "Supra" just because the type of motor is more traditionally correct.

    If Toyota put a diesel in a Tundra it would still be a Tundra, unless the motor and chassis were built by Dodge, then it would be a Ram.
     
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    Within the context of the conversation of development costs there is enough likeness, granted we are comparing cars with a 20 year technology gap. The RC and LC are practically modern descendants of the Supra, minus the turbo inline 6.

    In any case, I have always loved the Supra and disliked the Z4. Maybe that makes this extra bitter for me.
     
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    Yamaha had hand in designing the head and intake of the 2JZ and many other parts and Zeee Germans for the driveline
     
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    The Supra falls in to the same category as the GTR, RX7, Acura NSX and Mitsubishi VR4. The hopes are that the new Supra would rival the R35 GTR again but now that more like a fantasy. I hope it doesn't flop like the RX8 did and THe new NSX still has something less to be desired. It should be priced and compare to the GTR but not a close to super-car like the new NSX.
     
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    The new NSX is weird. It's very well reviewed, but seems to be very weak in sales. Actually, that's kind of like the old NSX when it was still in production...
     
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    I still like the old NSX, my brother has owned 2 and the one he kept runs a turbo and scared the hell out of me. Values have gone way up on those cars, can't find them in the low 20k range anymore.
     
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    Longer list than the wife needs to know about....
    If I didn't have to tow the camper on the regular, the tundra could've ended up on the chopping block for the new supra.
    Manual trans, turbo inline 6, targa? (please let it happen).
    unfortunately i'll need to wait until Alexis is paid off before I add another Toyota to the herd.
     

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