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Looking at a new furnace...Trane or Carrier?

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  1. Jun 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM
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    Craig, you done good. Gas furnace split system is good. Even if it was a package unit gas is way to go. Heat pumps are ok if you rarely need heat. Heat pumps w elec strip heaters are expensive to run.

    18 seer. Wow. Expensive up front but huge savings month to month. Trane is quality equipment.
    Someone was talking about Goodman, they are junk, however they had a good warranty. I wouldn’t recommend them to anyone.
    A little background, worked in the hvac industry for 10 yrs, more if you count me tagging along on dads jobs. Granted, it was 20 yrs ago. Still do all my own work and buddy’s stuff. They buy parts n beer. And crawl in attics w me. I teach while working.
     
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    In the commercial world we referred to them as “Trane wrecks”. Back when I was doing HVAC Trane rooftops would fail and made it hard to troubleshoot when all the wiring was the same color. This was over 10 years ago though and I’m sure it’s changed. As far as homes go Goodman was considered shit back then and that’s what I have in my house now with no problems. The best packages I remember installing were either American standard or York. American standard owns Trane as far as I know. Again it’s been a while.
     
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    True, I dreaded messing with Carrier's Infinity line of products.
     
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    Heat pumps are fine until you have extended periods of cold below 30 degrees. Then your losing all effeciency and have to switch over to your emergency setting. Which is either a gas back up or an electric heating element . They however do a fantastic job as an air conditioner. We had an entire month of sub zero temps and a heat pump will just run and run while the house gets cold. In warmer climates they are great.
     
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    Yup, exactly
     
  6. Jun 26, 2018 at 7:06 PM
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    By the time my parents' Goodmans die, I'll probably be an HVAC technician. I will install a couple of Trane units!
     
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    Trane and American Standard are both owned by Ingersoll-Rand...
     
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    I went through this a few years ago when our R22 systems died. I did a lot of research into this subject and discovered that Trane and Carrier were the main 2 picks for after build installs and Goodman were the builder grades used. one of the things I learned that regardless of the brand, almost all of the failures and performance nightmares were caused by the installation. A bad installation or taking shortcuts will present problems in the near future.

    I personally chose the Carrier 19 seer variable 5 stage compressor with 2 stage gas furnace. I worked with the installation company and carefully planned and supervised the install of 2 full units. Going on 3 years now with no problems and my gas and electric bill were cut in half from the original units.
     
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    An air-conditioner/heat pump/furnace is only as good as the man (or woman) who installs it!
     
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    I have two Carrier furnaces and two AC and had Carrier in my last house for 13 years with zero issues.
     
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    I've been by their assembly plant before out in Tyler, TX. They build both lines there. I'm not sure if they build their off brand units there though...
     
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    There are no "off-brand" units, just Trane and American Standard. One is more expensive than the other, but other than high-end American Standard units lacking the distinctive Duraguard fan grille of the Trane XLi and XV units, they are virtually identical.
     
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  14. Jun 27, 2018 at 10:56 AM
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    The cheaper Carriers are actually better and less problematic in my opinion.

    My parents bought a brand new townhouse in September 2007 and we lived there until March 2016. The house had two 2-ton 13 SEER Carrier A/C units matched with Carrier 92% 40,000 BTU gas furnaces. The units used R-22 refrigerant and even had TXV (Thermostatic Expansion Valve) instead of capillary tubes.
     
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    Been in the biz 28 years. Pic is last Wednesday. Really interesting hearing Tundra guys going for multi stage this, wifi that. I have two Goodman 2016 package units in my house. I made sure they had single speed Scroll compressors and NO, ZERO, NONE variable speed motors. I went through the fake allergy filters that just caused restricted air flow phase, the every homeowner trying to install programmable tstat and burning out the transformer (heat pumps have up to 7 wires) phase, now the wifi phase. Glad I got away from residential.My advice is with no experience with cold climate high gas bill is keep the AC or heat pump simple, all new units are high efficiency by law. MOST important thing is proper airflow and proper sizing and proper install.

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    Quick part two about wifi tstat and Comercial HVAC. National companies get the big restaurant chains to go with complete wifi control retro fit to their units to save money. What do you think happens when the router drops, no cooling. Calls us gets a several $100 bill. What happens when employee breaks wifi remote sensor, call us and we wire up a regular tstat and drop it in the return and tell them to call the company that wired up everything and order a new one from them. Just get a nice digital tstat, set it, and stop touching it.
     
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    Now that i think about it you're right.
    Here in Texas, homeowners were always trying to self install the pesky Nest thermostats. Next day, i was called out to repair what the husband tried to fix. lol
    Quite often they would receive a Nest thermostat for the wrong configuration.
    Tech: Sir, i'm not even gonna try to install this for you...
    HO: Why? (Utility Company) said it would work with my system.
    Tech: You have a heat pump...
    HO: What's a heat pump?
    Tech:...
    HO:....
     
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    :rofl:

    So they had a thermostat for a straight-cool unit?!?!

    :rofl:
     
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    Another vote for Goodman here. It's Amanas off brand, mostly same internals. Family member who's big in HVAC recommends them over anything else. Great bang for your buck.
     
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    Back in the 90's it was Lowe's/ Home Depot digital tstat in place of the dangerous mercury tstat. Sir this is a one stage heat and one stage cool AND you don't have a common wire.
    Red and common is probably the norm today but it didn't use to be.
    Yes sir this is a heat pump tstat but you will have to replace the battery every few weeks because you don't have enough wires pulled to the stat. The guy at the store said this is the right one.
     
  21. Jun 27, 2018 at 3:18 PM
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    Probably single stage heat, heat pump needs 2 stage to bring on the strip. At least in my neck of the woods that was most common.
     
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    Oh yes, this has occurred more than once. The next question of course was, "can you make it work??" Those with two stage equipment had to wait a while for a revised version of the Nest thermostat to come out so that it could be supported. (at least in my area it did)
     
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    Don't agree about the Goodman brand, but that just my personal opinion. Had too many with severe issues over the years. I definitely agree with your filter comment. Folks don't see that these high end (and expensive) filters are killing their units with restrictive air flow. I buy the cheap brown ones by the case and change every 3-4 months
     
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    In the meantime, did they just put the old thermostat back?
     
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    give me a Copeland Scroll compressor and 1/3 1075 motors and I will be running trouble free as long as I got proper air flow and clean coils. Any elec component goes out hell I can hard wire around most of it and know I can get that single stage common compressor same day. But go with some thing like the Lennox RTUs at Outback with a Variable speed DC condenser fan motor then you have a full day out no ac during 95 degree days with next day air fee and a motor that my cost was $328 then customer has $1100 bill. so much for all that elec savings. 1/3 1075 motor job $350 max.
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    My Goodman has copper coils, Copeland compressor, and non-china motor. Problem with budget friendly units is that is what gets slapped into the new built neighbor hoods by the lowest bidder that installs 5 a day. Under sized duct work and air/moisture in line sets, bad compressors in 1-3 years. Not the fault of the unit.
     
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    The difference between Goodman and Amana is that Amana only sells to licensed contractors/installers. Goodman sells it's units to ANYBODY, typically people who are unqualified to install or even work on HVAC equipment.
     
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    What area do you live that your supply house is selling HVAC equipment to unlicensed people. Never seen equipment not sold on eBay sold too unlicensed guys. Thats why you cant buy it at Lowes, and hell call the EPA on the suppy house.
     
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