Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Yep, after a basket full of Toyota's (see sig), these will be my last. Thought the TURDPRO would be good for resale.., but ignoring the Hybrid just F'd me in the biggest way (I also have a 23' hybrid Sequoia that would have otherwise been covered too).

Now I have two rolling grenades, with resale value getting pummeled, and even if I buy an extended warranty (thanks Toyota), I would still get a sketchy rebuild if they go.

Sorry, bitter, and Toyota isn't helping themselves at all. Sorry, love my truck(s), but don't trust them or Toyota.... All they have to do is offer an extended warranty until this is fixed, and they would be heroes...

OK, I feel better now.., just not about the brand

 

And I can see it from both sides, though that particular member has been very close to my ignore list before I just decided to scroll on.

I am, however, a 3rd Gen owner who would go back to a 2.5 gen if the deal were right. Trouble is, I can't really stomach paying more for a used 2018-2021 with more miles than I paid for my new 2019 that I traded with fewer miles. I kick myself for that trade almost daily.

My desire to trade is not out of fear of my engine being a grenade, but more because I miss things about the old truck and how I felt driving it. The 3rd gen is fine, but I don't love it. There are a few features it has that I would miss, but there are things I miss about the 2.5 gen as well. Lots of it is subjective, so it's not going to apply to anyone but me.

Stuff I miss from my 2019:

1. Infotainment was way more useful. The 3rd gen is bigger and has better resolution, but it's got dogshit functionality. I preferred the interface of the old unit. The old one's voice for texts and such was easier to understand as well.
2. V8 sound and feel. What can I say, I like the growl and I miss it. Not just that, though. My 2.5 gen was smoother on acceleration and didn't have the spastic jolts when engaging cruise.
3. It felt so much roomier inside than my current truck. Not saying the 3rd gen is cramped, but it feels smaller.
4. Sticking to feelings, the 2.5 gen felt more like a truck. Hard for me to articulate, but the utilitarian beefiness of a truck doesn't come across in a 3rd gen.
5. Soft drop tailgate with no power gimmick. I hate my truck's all power tailgate. Subjective, I know.
6. I think the 2.5 gen looked better, especially because it had colors outside the basic white, grey, black, brown, red that the 3rd gen is limited to. I also got repeated compliments
7. Interior fitment was better than my 3rd gen. No rattles, no weird gaps in dash pieces, and I didn't ever feel like I was going to break anything. Nothing felt cheap like the 3rd gen's shifter button and center console lid. Same low end easy to scratch plastic in both Tundras, and both way better than the '24 F150 I had.
8. Automatic High Beams were actually usable. In the 3rd gen they are retarded as all hell. They can't decide if they want to be on or off if there is oncoming traffic, so it winds up flashing them a few times while it decided. Makes me seem like an asshole flashing lights at everyone, so I had to turn it off. My 2019's worked quite well.
9. Way more room in the back seat, with or without the seats folded.
10. Center console was more usable with a slider tray in it. The 3rd gen has the weird layout with one corner have a little shelf, and then a little cube cutting off another portion, and it makes it all feel smaller.
11. Much preferred the HVAC and 4x4 controls in the old SR5.

Stuff I would miss from my 2025:

1. 360° cameras. I love this feature and would really miss it. Loved it in my last 3 vehicles.
2. Ventilated seats. First time I've had them, and I really like this feature. My balls have never been cooler on a summer drive.
3. Memory seats. I'm fat and the run back feature when shutting the truck down keeps me from gouging my steering wheel with my knife that is clipped in my pocket. That's convenient.
4. Auto up/down windows. Convenient.
5. Dark headliner. So much better than the tan of the 2.5 gen.
6. Push button start and smart handles. I loved these in my 2017 WRX, but quickly got used to not having them when I got my 2019 Tundra. I could adapt again.
7. The softex and the steering wheel feel very really nice.
8. The soft touch dash of the Limited is neat, but it doesn't feel super tough. I'm thinking it's a thin skin over foam and that foam is going to degrade over time.

Though he's troll-ish, I am one of those who would go back if the prices on the 2.5 gen weren't insane.

 

Well I for one love my 2025 over my 2020. Towing a 7k pound boat with my 2025 is a night and day difference over the 2020. The 2020 would scream in the rpm band and the temps ran hotter than my 2025 does going up the grapevine in 100+ degree heat. This platform feels and pulls more like a truck than the gen 2/2.5. Ride comfort is insanely good compared to my 2020, even my wife commented how much smoother and quieter it seems. Whatever Toyota decides to do as far as the engine is concerned, I think they’ll do the right thing in the long run. I was lucky enough to reach out to guys on here about getting the 10 year / 125k mile warranty for a steal of a price. Drive whatever makes you happy and this truck definitely makes me happy.


PS…. Spoke to someone OTT and they said possibly early winter for a tune for the 3rd gen. We shall see what kind of gains will be had!

 

Wouldn't that tune nuke your extended warranty?

 

If you ever sell your house, even though I won’t be the buyer, THANK YOU for putting plastic up while painting.

I’ve been in my current house 5 years and I’m still finding paint dust from sanding and over spray everywhere in my detached garage from the previous owner who just sprayed and sanded without plastic…

Also, excellent job on the Jeep, looks fantastic! It’s definitely hard to get rid of things from a father, so happy for you to see the rebuild to get to keep it longer! I inherited my fathers boat when he passed and don’t think I’ll ever be able to get rid of it.

 

Thinking out loud here, but on a 2020 or 2021, you could have most of that.

2. Aftermarket (Katzskin). Once I get my title mod, I'll be adding this as well.
3. Higher Trims
4. Higher Trims/ Aftermarket
5. Mines gray, not tan
6. Almost standard with all trims
7. Aftermarket, tons of options

 

Right, but that all starts increasing the already insane cost to make the move. I am content with the 3rd gen. I'll enjoy it, because the right deal won't happen for the swap.

 

Agreed. Keep and enjoy. I do like the 1794 interior on 3G, saw one at the dealership

 

Since I'm a 2024 hybrid owner I'll answer that, I feel pretty confident because the number of fails are so small and I bought the 10year/125,000 mile warranty.

In today's market you'd be a fool not to buy an extended warranty on any car purchase IMHO.

 

Im on board also, I saw the list of things from Godzilla. I had a 08 until a couple years ago, it has 285K miles on it, fantastic truck, but it was gettin long in the tooth for sure. I have not experienced some of the complaints Godzilla has. I think my 23 (purchased Jan 23) has more room for sure and most folks that ride in it comment on that fact alone. The engine is much better imho, but I know the engine issue is a lingering thing, my truck is in the recall and Ill likely be last in line for a new engine but my truck has 91K on it, runs great, gets good MPG for a truck and I have no issues taking it on 4K mile road trips loaded with dirt bikes, just finished one. Having the infotainment system is a plus for me as in my 08 I have to install and aftermarket deck which was fine but not as nice. radar cruise is a life line for me. I hate lane keeping lol. I live in North Carolina and have no issues with the HVAC. I’d love for Toyota to figure out the seat panel thing, Im on my third one but they did it for free even out of warranty, just gotta have a good service rep. From a utility perspective I dont see a difference, but I do kinda wish I held out for a 6.5 foot bed sometimes.

Overall for me, and take in to consideration I was in a 08, my 23 is a much nice and better truck.

 

Nope. Head, leg, shoulder and hip room, both front and rear, were all more in your 2008. I notice the narrower front seats in my '23 the most.

 

Well sure doesn’t seem that way to me, my recent NC to CO road trip was much more comfortable for me than the 08. Dont get me wrong if the 08 wasn’t totaled I’d likely still be driving it. But the 23 drives so much better, I just didn’t know. BTW I had a double cab then, the new Crew max is much better in the back for passengers, I didn’t know how bad the double cab was LOL.

 

Yeah, you can't compare an old double cab to a new crewmax. That's apples to oranges. The previous crewmax was bigger than the current crewmax. It was glorious.

 

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Huh?

Gen 3 crewmax is longer and wider than gen 2.5

 

The truck is, the cab isn't.

 

Gen 3 has more space upfront.

Similiar in the backseat

Most all the full size crew can trucks are pretty identical in exterior and interior dimensions. Been that way in the crew cab era

 

your going to get hit with its smaller by 1.5" in the rear with less headroom... HA

 

Wrong. The interior specs don't lie. It's literally a 10 second search.

I'm a big guy, so maybe I notice these things more than most. Without looking up the specs, I knew my '08 crewmax was roomier than my '23. My '15 seemed to be somewhere in-between the '08 and '23. I haven't confirmed that, however.

 

Gen 3 has more head room IF is doesn't have the pano roof. It lost shoulder and leg room.

 

its pretty close guys, lol.

but every inch counts.......O and





thats what she said..

 

By that logic 3rd gen owners need to quit saying the non hybrid has more HP than the 5.7, because it's a negligible gain.

 

The difference between the Gen 2 and Gen 3 is pretty significant, not so much with the 2.5. Don't take my word on it, look it up.

I really miss the space of my '08.

 

I dont say that, and in fairness, most talk about the torque, which is substantial, but I get your spin there.

 

I know the specs, it's close Matt.

it feels smaller than it actually is since the greenhouse is smaller with the lower roofline that gives it more of a cockpit feel, but the measurements are pretty close. Ive grown to like this actually, the sun cooks you less, etc as far as the "feel".

but I could certainly understand people that just like that larger greenhouse feel with bigger glass area.

 

Double Cab is perfectly fine if your passengers aren't big. My girls are 8 and 9 and it's not as if they're going to be WNBA player size one day. Besides, knowing I have an extra 12 inches of bed space is totally worth it.

 

If you'd had the truck when those girls were in car seats then you'd want a bigger back seat. But yeah for reasonably sized folks, the double cab (at least the 2/2.5 Gen double cabs) is fine.

 

Yup. It is smaller, and the lower roof/steeper windshield slant amplifies the feeling.

 

I guess that depends on what you consider close. The Gen 2 has 1.6" more shoulder room in front and 3.3" more in the rear. It has 0.4" more hip room in front and 2.1" more in the rear. The Gen 2 has 1.3" more leg room in front, (Gen 3 has more rear leg room.) Head room depends, with the edge going to the Gen 2 compared to a Gen 3 with the pano sunroof.

I think the shoulder and hip room differences are pretty significant, especially in the rear. I used to cram 3 large buddies, with all their ski gear, in the rear seat of my '08. It was tight, but not uncomfortable. They would be less comfortable in my '23, I'm sure.

 

one thing with the A-pillar rake, I find I can get in easier in the gen 3 at my size that I could in my older ones, I felt like I had to fold in half more to get in the older model.

the low windshield top makes it feel smaller for sure, like a jet cockpit type thing.

the rear seat headroom is less in this one though, an inch or two, but I can still fit back there with the pano roof with that indent they put.