Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Something isn't right. I think more than 1 thing can be true at the same time. Maybe there is a design issue AND maybe the debris was prematurely exposing the design flaw??? I don't know, I wish I had more info.

 

It's true. I have seen electric only at 60+mph on near flat road for a few moments. You would not know the ice is off. Steering/brake feel the same as expected. What I cannot replicate is situation where you need the ice and it fails leaving only electric.

 

THATS what I’m sayin’ MAN!

 

This is it. I don't know what I don't know, and I am not even sure that I believe what I do "know" about this. We simply don't have enough information. All we can do is trust Toyota to make it right, or to bail and go buy something else, that will likely be worse in so many other ways.

 

The 2025 MY Tundras appear to have very few main bearing failures, from what I can tell, so it’s not unreasonable to assume that the new ‘26 models coming this fall no longer have this particular engine problem plaguing them.

This problem may never disappear entirely from the V35A but as time goes on, it’ll likely be as uncommon as the valve spring failures on the UR series V8s.

 

Toyota has the information and that information has only expanded in the year or so the recall has been out. They are either lying about it being remediated to acceptable levels or they aren’t. What is the other “thing” that could be true?

 

Gaslight much?

 

Maybe they are telling the truth that the debris issues is resolved, but we are still seeing a design flaw pop up. Remember they based the recall on debris

 

My 2000 cost me about $30k for 20 years of ownership

 

My 2017 has lost about $15k but it's 9 years old and has 115k miles.

 

You’ll never know how much it’s unless you sell it.

 

What happens to vehicles stolen and not recovered?

 

Toyota has a long history of questionable ethics behavior. Here are some recent examples:

- Daihatsu Safety Test Scandal (2022-2024): Toyota's subsidiary, Daihatsu, was found to have falsified safety test data for several models, including for pedestrian protection and collision performance.
- Hino Motors Emissions Scandal (2003-2022): Toyota's truck division, Hino, systematically falsified emissions and fuel consumption data for its engines, a practice that began as early as 2003 and was acknowledged in 2022.
- Toyota's Japanese Safety Test Scandal (2014-2020, revealed 2024): The Japanese government uncovered that Toyota itself had submitted incorrect or falsified data for several certification tests, including those for pedestrian protection, collision performance, and airbag systems.
- Clean Air Act Noncompliance (2010-2019): In 2021, Toyota paid a $180 million settlement to the U.S. government for failing to comply with Clean Air Act reporting obligations for a decade.

And don't forget the Sudden Unintended Acceleration scandal in 2009-2011 where Toyota denied the problem, hid information from government investigators, falsified records, until finally admitting to the problem. They were fined over $1 billion and paid even more in settlements with victims' families.

I wouldn't trust a word coming from Toyota.

 

Well, there is that.....

 

So you're saying they are selling motors with a known design issue that causes catastrophic failures and have been for a long period of time?

 

So you think they lie about lots of stuff. Fair enough.

 

Asking clarification isn't gaslighting.

 

There are two types of corporate cultures. One is based on values, the other on rules. Companies whose culture is based on values, follow the principle of "do the right thing". Companies whose culture is based on rules believe that it's OK to cheat as long as you don't get caught. There is plenty of evidence that Toyota belongs to the second group (together with VW, Mercedes and many other car manufacturers).
There are non-profit NGOs that closely study corporate behavior, and Toyota scores at the very bottom on the ethics scale. GM is the most ethical company among large auto manufacturers, BTW. This has nothing to do with how good or bad their products are, it's purely about how they deal with problems.

 

If that's the case, I wouldn't own or discuss owning a Toyota of any type anywhere in the world.

 

I thought this was just common knowledge, so is GM, so is Ford, so did RAM. You think they don't know?

 

I’ve never seen Toyota make this statement

“remediated to acceptable levels”

 

This sounds very much like Ford's cost-benefit calculation about Pinto exploding gas tank.

"The Ford Pinto cost-benefit analysis involved a controversial decision to prioritize cost savings over safety enhancements, specifically regarding the fuel tank design. By calculating the cost of modifying the fuel tank versus the potential costs associated with accidents and deaths, Ford determined it was cheaper to pay for settlements and lawsuits than to implement safety improvements.
Ford estimated that modifying the Pinto's fuel tank to prevent explosions in rear-end collisions would cost $11 per vehicle, totaling $137.5 million for the planned 12.5 million vehicles. Ford estimated the cost of accidents, including deaths, injuries, and vehicle damage, by assigning monetary values to each. They used a figure of $200,000 for each death, $67,000 for each serious injury, and $700 for each burned-out vehicle, arriving at a total cost of $49.5 million. Based on this analysis, Ford opted not to implement the safety modifications, believing it was more cost-effective to pay for accident-related damages rather than incur the expense of redesigning the fuel tank."

It seems that Toyota calculated that a few dead people will be cheaper than replacing ALL the engines including hybrids, and/or implementation of a potentially more expensive redesign of the engine. A few death is "acceptable level" as long as it's cheaper.

 

Lets see. Cost of ownership is up on everything. I have not had any shuddering and have pulled 6-7K several times, maybe it's a driving technique that may need to be learned. Seat panel design was bad, my replaced panel is far better and must be installed properly as it feels to not be a problem again. Only time will tell. Your gen 2.5 didn't have available the camera system that the gen 3 has, so there could not be a loss of anything due to that. I love my multi-view system your 2.5 doesn't have. Your 2.5 had leaf springs, not coils. Some gains and some losses as your 2.5 didn't drive as smooth as our gen 3 does on the roads where everyone drives most of the time. Wind noise is a problem at times, but that's why I have the JBL system. Recalls:

2021 - power steering leak, headlight connector overheat to cause fire
2020 - PSL also, HL connector also, fuel pump failure, turn signals not bright enough
2019 - Same as above plus many more

Shall I keep going, or do you want to look them up yourself? Here you go...

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Toyota/Tundra/2019/recalls/

Yes, many trucks have been plagued with the bearing issue. I believe Toyota is addressing the problem and will provide a worthy truck that has way better technology than previous years.

 

4.: In electric mode. flat road, no acceleration. Passenger took image.

 

Except the one metric that matters the most, the main reason most people become Toyota enthusiasts - dead nuts reliability.

5 years owning this truck next month.
Never been back to the dealer once.
Never used the warranty. It’s expired.
Still have 0 recalls associated with my VIN.

 

The MAX gauge shows zero and the engine is at zero rpm. This means that the foot is completely off the gas pedal and you are basically decelarating / coasting. With the MAX gauge at zero the electric motor isn't providing any motive power. If it did, the MAX gauge would show how much electric power is being used.

 

Do a quick Google search, this was mostly caused by user error, and improper floor mats. Toyota even hired NASA to look into this and they couldn’t find anything wrong. And the recall only affected cars made in America lol


Toyota's unintended acceleration issues, prominent around 2009-2010, were primarily caused by mechanical issues like sticking accelerator pedals and floor mats getting trapped under the pedals, not electronic software flaws as initially suspected in a 2013 trial, though a separate trial did blame a software bug in a fatal crash. These problems led to recalls of millions of vehicles, investigations by NHTSA and NASA, significant civil penalties for Toyota, and the eventual installation of brake override systems.
Causes of Unintended Acceleration

• Sticking Pedals:
  A significant number of reports cited accelerator pedals becoming "stuck" in a depressed position, leading to increased acceleration.
• Floor Mat Entrapment:
  A common cause was the floor mats bunching up or becoming dislodged in a way that trapped the accelerator pedal, preventing it from returning to its resting position.
• Driver Error:
  While not a mechanical issue, driver error, such as misapplying the brake or accelerator pedal, was noted by investigators in a large number of incidents.

Investigations and Findings

• NHTSA and NASA:
  The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and NASA-led investigations found no evidence of electronic or software-related causes for the unintended acceleration in Toyotas.
• Bookout/Schwarz Trial:
  Despite broader findings, a 2013 trial did attribute a fatal 2007 crash to a software bug in the electronic throttle system, leading to financial compensation for affected owners, as noted by www.serviceatlandmark.com.

Toyota's Response and Solutions

• Recalls:
  Toyota initiated major recalls to address these mechanical issues, involving millions of vehicles.
• Brake Override Systems:
  To prevent future incidents, Toyota began installing brake override systems on its vehicles.
• Manufacturing Changes:
  The company also reviewed manufacturing processes and made design changes to trim panels to prevent pedal interference, as seen in an incident on a Sienna during production dynamometer testing.

 

But there is oil pressure? Isn't that the gauge 2nd from the right?

 

Coasting as it was flat. Regardless, the ICE is off at 63mph. Oil pressure is zero (lower left)

 

Is this not oil pressure? It sure looks like the symbol for it to me. I do see other indicators at the bottom. What is where I circled at for?