Interesting informed take on the Tundra Recall

Yeah, really sorry about that and for any misunderstanding.

 

@TRDoffroadPRO If the Hybrid's were that different, then I would be all over swapping to one. If you were to look at the blocks, there are pretty similar except for the little device that sits on the back of one of the heads. My guess is that the little device is a vacuum accumulator much like what we find on diesels so your brakes still work for a little longer or a few more pumps. Then there is the hybrid motor that sits in the bell housing of the transmission. It will run for a while when the engine is at "0" rpm as you already know!

The trucks that don't have that setup are more like sitting ducks in the event of a failure.

Also consider that during 2022, not many hybrids were sold because they just weren't available so failures would be less as new processes would have been rolled out during the manufacturing picking up those trucks.

So this might not even affect your truck regardless if it is newer than the Feb 2023 time frame.

My wish is that this gets sorted out and I can get back to using my truck!

 

There is a stickied thread at the top of this forum. Here is the tracking spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...JKCX5E50vAXpeUogyH5shM/htmlview#gid=780956012

Unfortunately when Ryan was banned the original thread with the database fill tool was deleted, so new entries are harder to put into the spreadsheet.

 

It is like you have never seen a safety recall before. Toyota goes out of their way to explain that Hybrids have motive power after an engine failure so they can safely navigate. There is always the possibility, like many recalls, that it gets expanded to cover hybrids too. Takata had many recalled, but it happened in phases to cover the most dangerous bags first.

I wish the hybrids didn't have issues as I own one, but as someone who has been following all of these threads for months, I have seen many documented hybrids that have failed. Of course most of the failures will be gas engines, as most of the trucks made appear to be non-hybrids as well.

There are nine hybrid failures on the spreadsheet. Not sure how many were reported in the stickied thread, but it is a lot more than one that you found.

 

In two years (maybe plus a little change), his truck will be 20 YEARS OLD. He bought it with 155,000 miles on the odometer, doubtless much of that was doing truck things (not MDX things), and he’s surprised he had to drop a bunch of money into it?
I’m no “engineer”, but I always thought it was obvious that people tend to sell trucks with 150k miles on them when the needed maintenance starts to pile up. Unreal.

 

This is a SAFETY recall. Not an defective engine recall.

 

You really need to read things before you post your rants.

 

He probably heard too many stories from Toyota owners saying how they had 400k on their Toyota's and "did nothing but regular maintenance" not realizing lump in radiators, alternators, steering racks and master cylinders as regular maintenance.

 

Yup, what a totally bogus and messed up post that was.

 

Wait, are you saying my 2.5 gen needs more maintenance than just oil changes? Heretic!

 

Indeed. I was wondering when he would chime in. I certainly enjoy his expertise, honesty, and common sense. At the end of the day, Toyota is the only one that has the answers, and they probably don't have them all yet. I feel bad for those folks that need/want to sell/trade their 2022/2023 Tundra. For me, it's business as usual. I planned on my 2023 SR5 being at least a ten year truck.
As I see it, Toyota has acknowledged (admitted) there is a problem.
The recall notification indicated they intend to do something about it.
Hopefully they fix the problem satisfactorily in (historical) Toyota fashion.
I am hoping this issue will be long gone by the time I want to sell/trade my Tundra.
In the meantime, be prepared to be ready, to standby. Logic indicates this won't happen fast. They still have not come up with a permanent solution to the lousy plastic fuel tube recall issued 11 months ago.

 

I've watched his videos for a very long time and he knows his shit. It's too bad they had early issues but knowing them they will make the same truck/engine for 13 years and will have perfected it by the time they finish the run.

 

Just the poor bastards that ran out in 22-23 to buy the new Tundra are screwed. Actually add in 2024 now. Toyota should replace the engines and give a 150k warranty on those engines. We all know that’s not going to happen.

 

Subaru did it for the Ej25. It is possible but Toyota has turned into something different then it used to be.

 

No, not really. Just the supposed legendary Toyota quality and based on my bulletproof LX. No comparison between it and the Tundra, but not really an apples to apples comparison as the LX was USD$50K in 97.
Also, it seems (from what I’ve seen/heard on the interweebs) that those vehicles still built in Japan are of superior quality than those built in NA like the 4Runner. I wouldn’t touch any Tacoma built in Mexico. I think VW pulled out of Mexico back in the day IIRC. Even the guys at Mercedes’-Benz told me while working with them on the procurement of the G-Wagons for the Canadian Army, that MB vehicles built in NA were of lower quality than those of Europe because of the skill level of the workers. They also told me the quality of vehicles (overall) that were built in Canada were of better quality than those built in the USA. I think we can all agree, even the Toyota fan boys, that the quality of Toyota product overall has suffered and it is no longer what it used to be.

 

And they paid markups ... markups are the reason I'm in a '21 instead of a '22

 

Should they do anything for non-owners?

 

Yes, the first step remedy for non-owners is Toyota will send you a stuffed doll and magic marker. Each nonowner will mark the spots on the doll where Toyota touched them.

 

or paid MSRP like me, of course the MSRP was 7-8k lower than current MSRPs but still. It is good to see the inflated new car market is over. Hopefully it will last a long time but a lot of the quality stuff with the new Tundra is band wagoning. I doubt this recall affects more then 10-20 percent of the Tundra production. From my understanding it was a machine cleaning process from one vendor who supplied the blocks for the gasoline only 3.4 liter motor.

but everyone here just jumps to conclusions and what use to be, the 5.7 liter is bulletproof, third gen is junk. Until they replaced there 300k mile Tundra with a 100k mile 3rd gen then they will be the best Tundra ever.

Which they are already.

 

Good idea.
They could then take all the dolls back, do a Blackstone, and come up with what hurt the non-owners the most?

 

It's amazing how many times it was stated that there is no such thing as "blocks for the gasoline only 3.4 liter motor" but yet you still cannot accept that fact.

 

And this has what to do with anything?

 

AI response when researched from Google

Turns out machining debris not cleaned from the 3.4L twin-turbo V6 during production may lead to main bearings failure, which may result in a stall. In the Tundra's case, only gas-exclusive trucks are recalled. The i-FORCE MAX hybrid powertrain isn't included in this campaign.Jun 4, 2024

Toyota's own statement when aired on car podcasts said it was a QC issue on one line which made the blocks for the gasoline only 3.4 liter motor but who knows for sure? I am not sure what holes or attachments could be different on the Hybrid block, but something is different in order to accommodate the hybrid system. I accept as FACTS actual research and statements from Toyota. Not some person on a message forum spouting BS.

The block for the gasoline motor is VXKA and the hybrid blocks are coded VXKH. Has to be something different among the variants.

 

Cool man, it's been said so many times why Hybrids are not included in the recall - spoiler alert, not because they're immune.
Or maybe I am misinformed and TRD Off Road PROs Hybrids like yours won't be affected.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V381-6004.PDF

 

That little device is the anti-kaboom device they only added to the Hybrids.

 

I am not worried about that the government does and will screw things up but who knows for sure I see where Toyota corporate blamed it on one supplier but then they were like we are not sure. So, who knows for sure but the blocks for the Hybrids to non Hybrids are machined differently I do believe. Knowing Toyota they keep the Hybrid blocks in house and send out the other blocks to 3rd parties. The way the Japanese are to keep better quality branding in house ie. most Lexus is still made in Japan-- The Japan made models are vastly superior to their USA produced counterparts. The manufacturing processes are way different.

 

Do you understand what you are posting?

 

Hybrid Tundras are still American and not Japanese made trucks. But if believing that hybrids are getting a "Japanese" treatment and different than non-hybrids makes you feel better... just go for it.

 

No. Not at all. There are V35A-FTS failures in MIJ vehicles as well. There are also a bunch of uncommon issues with the 3UR-FE that do not discriminate based on where it was produced. The 3UR-FEs in 200 series Land Cruisers are just as prone to cam tower seepage, timing chain tensioner rattle, and coolant valley leaks as the engines in the US-made Tundras and Sequoias. It actually seems like the coolant valley leak is more common in 200s.

Bonus for the 200s: Toyota ran a radiator with a design flaw for 10 years that led to a stress crack and premature failure. This is their flagship $90k model, lest we forget. They finally fixed the design in 2018. Toyotas and Sequoias run a completely different radiator with no design flaw issue.