True Real World Towing Ability with 24 foot enclosed trailer

No. They are linked directly by the tongue weight of the trailer. That comes out of the payload. You need to watch both limits when towing.

Check out the towing section. One of the mods has great info on payload that will explain it.

 

7385 lbs GVWR - 1000ish lbs tongue weight - 5490 lbs curb weight according to Toyota = 895 lbs remaining payload for passengers, etc.

Find out the actual curb weight of the truck though. Toyota lists the vehicle capacity weight at 1310 lbs for CM 1794. That means Toyota assumes curb weight could be up to 6075 lbs (7385 lbs GVWR - 1310 lbs capacity weight).

Tow 8000-8500 lbs all the time in my Plat and never hit GVWR.

 

Sticking to the sticker , 310 lbs remaining payload for passengers, etc.

 

Thanks now I know to stay away from anyone pulling a trailer

 

Yep but GVWR is important number. I guess the number on the sticker covers the highest weight for any particular trim. I’ve seen a few people on here weighing their trucks and finding their actual payload is higher than the sticker. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Yep but payload number on your sticker is yours only, in my case there is even a mention for payload reduction after accessories installed by Toyota.
Exceeding your truck's payload capacity can have serious legal and safety consequences. It is crucial to be aware of these implications to ensure that you are transporting cargo safely and responsibly. Not only can it lead to fines and other penalties, but it can also put you and other people at risk.
DOT police will have a look at the sticker only not at the subtraction of the curb weight from the GVWR.

 

False, the payload number is the same in all vehicles for each trim. The payload number is even listed in the owners manual. If you can prove you were below GVWR, I can’t see any issue or problem.

 

My brother sold his travel trailer and weighed everything in it. Walked out , stood on a scale and wrote it down. All his crap, full water and propane was 900 lbs

 

Well I'm lost because sticker on mine shows 1320bs payload minus accessories (running boards) but 2018 Tundra eBrochure says max 1630lbs (page27)

 

You forgot one very important detail. Tongue weight of a trailer also goes against your payload.

It is very much the limiting factor with our Tundras.

 

So one thing I want to remind people is that tongue weight does not necessarily translate 1:1 to payload for bumper pull. In a bumper pull situation, the tongue weight exerts a lever effect on the drive axle of the tow vehicle. It is possible that 100lbs of force from the tongue creates a lever action of 110lbs of force on the tow axles.

The best thing to do is to understand your front and rear axle capacities and get the vehicle + trailer weighed at a certified scale.

Towing a flat bed trailer is different than towing an enclosed trailer. I think with a flat bed trailer and minimal cross section and side profiles, you're not affected by wind nearly as much as an enclosed trailer. It is possible to get closer to the maximum capacity of the tow vehicle without suffering from too much sway.

I agree with both. The tow ratings on these vehicles are usually fairly optimistic for enclosed trailers. I think the real world non-white knuckle experience is probably the advertised max tow rating divided by 2 (or half of the max tow rating).

 

And tongue weight goes against your payload in more than a 1:1 ratio since it applies a lever action on the rear axle. The limiting factor for 1/2 ton towing is, usually, more specifically, your rear axle weight rating.

 

Since you have a 2nd Gen, go with the sticker. The cricket is the theoretical maximum that no real world truck gets.

The 3rd gens appear to have their payload understated on the stickers, though none of them seem to hit the brochure number either.

 

YOLO
Do it.
The more you fuck around , the more you'll find out.

 

Or bigger balls.
Lmfao

 

Yep, big difference between the brochure and the real world, especially when it comes to tongue weights.

My Lance has a published TW of 405 lbs. but (depending on load) is usually more like 700 +/-

I'm kinda' bothered by the misleading information that mfr's (and salesmen) put out there to sell more trailers. "Suuuure, your vehicle can tow this, no problem! Sign here"

Most of the members here are pretty well informed and do your research, but I'm on a FB page about Tundra's and Trailers and some of the stuff these guys tow is downright scary.
I see a lot of posts of people that cite the manufacturer's published numbers for both their truck's payload and the hitch weight of a trailer and they don't realize that neither of those numbers are ever true in the real world.

"No, my Tundra has 1,940 lbs. of payload and I can tow 12,000 lbs. It says so in the book!
The 34' trailer I just bought (w/ a GVWR of 9K lbs) is only 751 lbs. hitch weight, so I have plenty of room to spare for the golf cart I put in the bed."

(As they post another thread asking what kind of airbags they should buy 'cuz their truck is squatting)

 

So all responses appreciated. I found a 2003 Chevy Duramax 2500 near me guy wants $10500 for says motor and trans are only 3 years old...thinking that should be my tow rig. Anyone have advice as to what to look out for other than the usual rust areas? Any old Duramax fans in the house?

 

whats the payload on the sticker on that truck?

 

Haven't gone to see it yet but figured it has to be more than the Tundra I'll ask before going to look extended cab 4x4 LT thinking 3-4000 lb payload and 12-13k towing depending on gearing.

 

Thanks Colorado he told me it GVWR's at 9200 with the C6W code rear axle code GT4 3.73

 

Figured our Tundras max cap about 1300-1400 lbs. so 2200 is a nice step up. Towing is 12,000 lbs. If the truck is right it should pull 9000 lbs with up to 1200 lb tongue weight leaving 1000 lbs for people and stuff like fuel

 

Got some info from a couple buddies of mine who know about these trucks (ignore their goofy Discord user names).

 

Thanks everyone says watch out for injectors...Jasper did the engine 5 years ago at 168k still looks new in the truck no oil leaks...guy that has the trailer has an older Ford Diesel not sure the year that he pulled it with thinking 2003-2008 ish reg cab 8 foot bed

 

Again thanks for all the feedback...decided it makes no sense right now to overbuy on trailer when not sure how much I'll use it and really need a bigger truck. Now looking at a Lightning 24 foot car hauler still all aluminum with 5200 axles weighs 2500 empty or Aluma tilt 20 foot open trailer 5200 axles at 1500 lbs. Tundra can easily handle either of these with 3500 lb car and gear. Getting a backflip tonneau cover so some stuff can go in bed.

 

That will take all your payload. I did the same thing and sold my 26' ATC race car trailer and went with a Futura 20' all aluminum open trailer that weighs 1800lbs and with car tongue weight 650lbs.