Oil for 2018 Tundra

@NWPirate , yes.

 

Damn things, shitty deal there.

 

Neo Synthetic Oil outperforms all other oils. It’s a fact. You want to tool around let’s put your motor mouths to the test. I’m certain I have done more work on Tundra’s than most in this forum. I had one of the first Tundras in San Diego back in October of 1999 and put it through numerous off road conditions. Wish social media was more accessible then. My 2018 Tundra is been to Ocotillo Wells, Glamis, and Pismo, and no issues whatsoever other than pulling stuck Ram Rebels out of the Sand. Amsoil is garbage Mobile One is not a bad option especially every 3k miles. Do whatever you want with your truck. If you want to discuss the best quality oil Neo is the best. Don’t take my word for it. Call the guys at Camburg Engineering. They know what’s up. I have been in the off-road scene since the 70’s when I was very young my family comes from a long line of off road drivers and racers. I don’t mess around when it comes to maintenance on my motor. 0-20 and 5-20 are designed to help with mpg and environment, not truck longevity.

 

10w 30 Castrol conventional I used 5w30 moved up to 10w 30 for my personal reasons

 

LOL, You really think that the majority of people that drive like a normal person to and from work cares about what oil outperforms what oil. I will tell you what, I will put my motor to the test and I can guarantee you, aside of a manuf defect, that my engine will function the same at 100k, 200k, 300k, etc miles than and engine with Neo oil. Just like the million mile tundras did it on OEM Toyota oil. You can waste your money the way you see fit, but I can guarantee you that you will never know the actual benefits of Neo oil vs any other in normal driving conditions. I will not argue when it comes to hard core racing or off-roading, but for everyday driving, oil is oil. Show me an oil that can prevent a manuf defect on a bearing from failing. Show me a blind test where any 2 different types of oils were used for 100k+++ amount of miles on 2 of the same engines that shows one oil was better than the other. No manuf that I am aware of has done this because they know that a engine driven normally with any oil will look pretty much the same and show that the cost of the more expensive oil doesn't justify the performance.

 

Lmao this man has a point. Like the 5w 30 or 0 20 matter. Just change it. Tranny now it gets the amsoil.

 

does NEO make their own base stock? wondering.

 

There's a LOT of oil brandnames and packaging out their.
I wonder how many actual motor oil manufacturers there are.
I'll bet, not many.

 

I love Oil threads.

question...
how did that dude's tundra go 1 MILLION miles on dealer oil? was that a fluke?
has there ever been an oil related engine failure that related to brand and/or viscosity? (ALL oil failures come from starvation)

and to say Amsoil is "garbage" is quite the statement. we ALL know it's some of the best, we just don't want to pay $13/qt for the EXACT same performance we get from Kirklands @ $3/qt.


now, let's get this thread off the rails and start the Ad Hominem motor.

 

3k mile OCI’s??

ok, lazy.

If you’re not stopping in an intersection and changing your oil during your daily commute- why even own a vehicle?

 

This is the way.

I'm hoping Tioga Corp goes back to "total loss" lube systems with a 100gal oil tank in the bed.

 

Yeah, he really lost all credibility when he said Amsoil is garbage. I don’t care for it or think it’s worth it to pay that much for the reasons I said but it’s not garbage oil. Wonder what he thinks of Super Tech then.

 

most of the love for particular expensive oil brands is confirmation bias, or ugly baby syndrome.

they paid too much for an engineered product. and want to justify it.

in a previous lifetime, I repaired/maintained emergency gen-sets on tug/barge units out of Texas City. those units (usually cummins) ran bulk oil of various viscosity. I never saw boutique oils on those boats (even for the main engines!). and those systems support LIFE. there is no room for error.


so, go buy your expensive oil...just don't holler in my ear about your choice. I'm rolling DEXOS certified Kirklands.

 

NEO 5w-30 is $16/qt.

Kirklands is $3/qt

can someone post an oil analysis after 5k miles, running this NEO stuff on a 5.7 Tundra?

then, I'll post my kirklands....let's see if the bull is shitting in the buckwheat.

 

It's regularly > 100 degrees here ambient during the summer. It was 113 in Tucson the other day when I was there. I can only imagine how hot the engine gets.

That's why I use 5w-30 amsoil. Why go cheap on oil on a very expensive truck??

 

This is the logic of a lot of people. And I totally get it. But I'll have something like a truck for a long time. I'd rather spend a lot more on a speed queen commercial grade W&D than a samsung home depot special, etc. I totally understand the reasoning there. I won't have motor oil for a long time.
But, people apply this to motor oil and I have to ask,....how exactly do you know amsoil is better than mobil, or penzoil, or castrol, or any of the oils that Warren makes for anyone? Is it the smell? The taste? the way it pours out of the bottle? The color? The color of the bottle? Does your stereo sound better? Etc. Or, is it "better" because they charged more for it, so it must be? Is it going to last longer? See, I would spend double on oil if it lasted twice as long, because then I'd only have to change the oil half as much. It ends up costing the same, but saves time and work. I can see the logic there. But I would't run any oil for twice as long, no matter what they claimed. So, If I'm paying double and still changing my oil every 5k, then I'm wasting money.
I don't understand the logic of paying double for something that you replace so often, especially when there's no real data to support that your engine will last longer, perform better or be less likely to mechanically fail. The "cheap" motor oil brands don't spend money on advertising or sponsor race teams. That's one of a few reasons why it's cheaper. I've yet to hear of an engine failure because of what brand an oil was. And I'd like to see some actual data that shows why really expensive oil makes your engine run better and last longer. And by actual data, I don't mean marketing nonsense that's not even true, from the people selling it.
All I'm saying is that your truck won't run better or last longer than a truck using Costco or Walmart oil and being changed every 5k because you spend 3x as much for a name.

 

agreed.

how does one know if an oil is able to run 10k? are you testing it?

I was.

my Kirklands had a TBN of 4.6 @ 5k miles. that's strong. but it was starting to go down from it's original #.

so how long does one keep motor oil in the motor? do you wait for a 2.0 TBN?

what is the TBN of NEO/AMSOIL/etc after 5k miles? I bet it's damn similar to kirklands.

and I had zero wear metals. so don't go there.


and what does "outperform" mean? really.


let's call a spade a spade here....base stock come from 2 maybe 3 companies. then it's just an additive package.


it's like those ultra fidelity, remastered gold CD's that were sold back when....they cost more, had the same base stock, and the only difference was something un-measurable. did I just date myself?

 

Was it Lucas or amsoil that had the little plastic gears in a clear box in the auto parts stores? You could turn the little crank and see the gears turn in the oil.
That was kinda cool. In a -I'm still a 7 yr old and like to play with things on the counter- kinda way. I never bought any, but I played with it every time I was in there.

 

Found it! It was Lucas.
Anyone a student of marketing and/or psychology?
Can anyone tell me why there was a picture of a dragster or funny car on the display?

 

Wait a moment, I have those! Washer is scary, but dryer is decent. Where do you get the dairy queen that you mentioned? Are they longer lasting?

 

I haven't bought them yet, but as soon as budget allows, I'm going to purchase a set for home. From what I understand, a lot of the parts that are plastic in all the residential units are still made of metal in the commercial line.
All I know is that the majority of people I've heard talking about W&DS in the last decade say they rarely get more than a few years out of them without needing repairs. Regardless of the brand or features or what they spent.
We have a speed queen washer at work and the custodial staff use it a dozen times a day and beat the hell out of it. All their nasty rags and mop heads etc. And it's still going strong after 5 yrs. All the other buildings buy the cheaper brands from home Depot and they buy a new washer every 2-3 yrs.
I was skeptical about paying big $$ for "speed queen", but I've seen with my own eyes. This washer at work would last 20+ yrs in a home. Easy.
I don't know where they bought it.

 

And I just use regular cheap motor oil in it

 

I have asked for this proof over and over. Still waiting for someone to post it. I have also asked for proof that any engine has failed because of a specific manful oil, Mobil, Penzoil, Castrol, etc. Not one person has yet to post an engine failure that was caused by oil. A engine fails because of a manufacturing error or lack of maintenance, never doing an oil change. The 3rd gens that have had bearing issues are because of manuf error, not because of the OEM Toyota oil or whatever oil the person put in afterwards. But hey, its peoples money and if it makes them feel all fuzzy inside to say they run Amsoil or Neo(blue/red pill), then have at it.

 

I use to play with that all the time. Great advertisement.

 

On another note, I was about to buy Toyota WS trans fluid and holy shit, it has sky rocketed. I was buying it at like $3+/- and it's at $12 now.

 

I have seen "evidence" from third parties that Amsoil oil is top quality, if not the top quality. I say "evidence" because in today's misinformation age, it's hard to prove anything definitively, and "reviews" and "studies" generally find what they are paid to find.

There is also the adage, you get what you pay for. Granted, that only goes so far, and there are plenty of scammers out there happy to take your money. But it also applies to a good many things, and I have yet to see a reason why it doesn't apply to Amsoil.

I certainly wouldn't put "Amazon basics" oil in my truck. (I wouldn't use amazon basics anything!!) Likewise I'd have to think cheap kirklands oil is, well, cheap.

Really, at the end of the day, being happy about your choices means a whole lot. Just don't insult others because they took a different path, and don't try to push your goods on them.

 

Because the advertisement works, there are suckers born everyday!

 

Well everybody and their mothers have seen "evidence" from a 3rd party. A paid 3rd party most of the time. Nobody is saying Amsoil is cheap, like you are calling Kirkland cheap, but there is no evidence that shows that an engine running Amsoil runs any better or is protected any better than an engine running Kirkland. And I can guarantee you that Amsoil wouldn't put it to the test because in the end, the results would prove that as long as you do regular oil changes, any oil will protect it just fine. And it is being happy in the end of the day and not saying that the oil others use is cheap. Amsoil vendors remind me of extended warranty vendors. I still have one DMing me on FB for about a year now.

 

From a cost perspective, Amsoil is "expensive" and Kirkland is "cheap".

You can reach whatever conclusion you wish from that. If you apply the "you get what you pay for" to those prices, then there's an obvious conclusion.

No insult intended to anyone. Whatever works for you bro!