3rd gen Sequoia or GX 550

I agree and expect the LC to be shorter wheel base like the FJ was. I’m thinking a competitor between the 2 door and 4 door Bronco / Wrangler.

 

Yeah, I haven't looked up dimensions. That's weird. So the LX600 and the LC300 for North America both wear Lexus badges. There goes my hope that it'll be <$75k...

Damn. The new LC we're supposedly getting is totally going to be the unholy marriage of a football helmet FJ Cruiser and a Bronco Sport, isn't it. Lol.

 

Why would Toyota require premium gas for the GX TTv6, when hpnand torque output is similar to the non-hybrid Tundra?

 

Just because it's a Lexus.

They said the LX570 requires premium, too, but it doesn't. Lexus says it makes +2HP and +2TQ compared to the exact same 3UR-FE that runs on 87 in the Tundra/Sequoia.

 

If I was going to drop that much cash I would go for the GX. Love the looks and made in Japan.

 

That’s fine, but with the 5.7L, it’s the exact same engine. Lexus says it requires premium; Toyota says it doesn’t. The 5.7 in the 570 isn’t worse on 87 than the 5.7 in a Tundra or Sequoia.

This is the general consensus at Mud. It matches my own anecdotal evidence, as I run my Tundra and my 570 on 87.

 

Good write up, and have similar questions about the new 4Runner, GX, and potential LC differentiation, while not covering eachothers markets.

I haven’t looked up the interior dimensions, track, wheel base, height, length, etc (if they are even available yet) between the new Tacoma and GX, but the GX does look to be noticeably bigger than the new Tacoma, and not based off the eachother. Which then has me doubting the 4R being based off GX, and being based off the Tacoma.

Hoping for the LC Prado to basically be a cheaper version of the GX550. Wasn’t the LC200 a little cheaper than the LX570 right? Just not sure if the LC wont suffer from the sales it had before since it filled such an odd spot that wasn’t distinguishable enough between the 4R, Sequoia, GX, and LX.

My guess / hope is since the 4R basically skipped a generation, it will go back to being Tacoma based with the same powertrains, like the Gen 1/2 Tacoma with the Gen 3/4 4Runners, and like how the Tundra / Sequoia are now. With the 4Runner becoming the vehicle for those who want a Tacoma, but don’t need the open bed and need more seating and covered cargo. Then the rumored LC Prado will be the Toyota version of the GX550.

Regardless, I love this new GX. Can look at like a redesigned luxury 5th Gen 4Runner on steroids, or a more rugged redesigned GX460. Either of which are exactly what I’m looking for since Toyota missed the mark (for me) with the 3G Sequoia.

 

I hope you are right about the Prado. The slightly larger but not quite full size size of the 300/200 series is appealing to me. But I just dont see how they can have 3 vehicles on the exact same chassis.

I read an article a few days ago saying the Prado would be badged as just a Land Cruiser, without the Prado.

 

Lexus GX 550 Plug-In Hybrid. Rated at 30MPG. Let's just imagine that Toyota just admitted to themselves that half of Tundra owners will NEVER tow, never once, at all, ever. Then they admit to themselves that another 75% of who's left will NEVER tow over 6000lbs. So we take those buyers, you know, the VASSSSST majority and say, why not just go F-ing crazy on MPG. Let the plug-in Tundra be only able to tow 6000lbs so you can insert the massive required battery and since its weight will be less then the GX 550 were left with something in the order of 32MPG. I'm only reaching here but I would think that truck would sell like........................quite well. The wife owns a 2020 Rav4 hybrid and its pretty quick but I've driven one of my work thugs Rav4 Prime plug in and holy shat, it's really GD fast. Literally 5.4 0-60. Not Tesla, Challenger, 911 fast, but blow the doors of any Toyota ever made fast and yes that includes the BMW Supra until they changed the engine. You would be left with a truck that gets +30MPG and blows away every non-full electric truck and most cars on the road. But you can't tow your 10,000lb tow hauler with slide out kitchen and kiddie pool option. A trade I'm willing to make.

 

Because Toyota's are slow as hell. The current Tundra is slow by todays truck standards. A regular ass crew cab F150 or Silverado 6.2L cuts a 0-60 in 5.4 seconds so the only people impressed by that number are Toyota drivers. Even the F150 Tremor with 33" All-terrains does 5.3 seconds.

If Toyota came out with a Plug in Tundra with a 0-60 in 5.4 seconds everyone would be like, cool, welcome to 2018

If you dont need to tow, or tow light only, get an EV truck.

 

The more I look at images of the GX, the more I think the styling is just ok. I like the TTv6 + transmission combo (on my 3rd gen Tundra), but I don't know that the GX OverTrail is $30K better than my 2023 4Runner OffRoad Premium.

 

I generally agree. I think Toyota must be taking the approach that they can use this TNGA-F platform to target very specific niches with a multitude of vehicles that may only appeal to a smaller group. Since the vehicles are all largely the same, they can spread the costs easier.

I dont really like the LX. And I dont really like the sequoia, but the GX fits my needs extremely well. The TTV6 and 8000 lb towing is extremely appealing to me. A 4Runner would be cool but if it came with the 2.4L its towing capability would be a miss for me.

 

According to this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tgVzHdbkQY, the hybrid version will be a 4-cylinder? Not sure that Toyota will make a decision like that.

Anyway, I would opt for the TTv6 if ever I get one...just thought I'd share.

 

The i4 hybrid would have the same torque and close power output as the non-hybrid. That would be weird.

 

OK, sounds like the hybrid specs are confirmed, then. Given this, I'm guessing perhaps the new 4Runner will have the same powertrain options as the 4th gen Taco, but this is just me thinking out loud.

 

Yeah, the 3G Sequoia is off my radar. My daughter that does dog rescues when I showed her pics of the cargo area it was an immediate NOPE. Told me right away she couldn't fit more than 8-10 dog crates in it. She can fit 24-26 crates in the 2019.

I like that Lexus finally dumped the huge grille, the approach angle was so compromised.

 

I would opt for the GX550. It looks well laid out and much better equipped minus the detuned V35A-FTS under the hood. No silly battery eating up cargo space, and full time 4X4.

 

we saw a trd pro sequoia tonight and my wife is still steering towards a diesel Yukon. I'm really trying to have her hold out for the LC but the price better come way down

 

hopefully we'll know more in a couple weeks

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cuz3XUtJ9JJ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

ahhh cool thank you for that! I'm gonna see whats going on then

 

Wait until the LZ0 duramax comes on in the SUV's. They are still making them with the LM2.

 

waiting on that and bigger infotainment center

 

https://www.thedrive.com/car-reviews/2024-lexus-gx-prototype-off-road-drive-review-specs-impressions

 

GX550. Not even a comparison IMO (unless you need to tow)

 

Did you end up getting a gx

 

How do you have 0 posts with a post?

Anyways, use the @ before the screen name if you don't want to quote a post. If you don't do either nobody knows who your talking to.

 

https://carconfections.com/ultimate-rugged-luxury-2024-lexus-gx-550-vs-2024-toyota-sequoia/

Found this comparison above.....

Starting to go through the process of comparing these 2 vehicles among others... Hence found this thread.

Current 2008 Sequoia owner, 195K+ miles.... Former 4th gen 4Runners, 2004 and 2008. Son currently has a 2016 Trail Premium 4Runner.....

Never owned a Lexus but very intrigued as I get older..... Hitting the Big 50 soon.... No longer need the space of the 2nd gen Sequoia but need the towing capacity for the boat to feel comfortable. Want more than a 5k towing capacity. The New Land Cruiser with 6K towing is just not enough safety cushion for me. Current boat is just shy of 4k lbs fully ridged and what if I grow up and get a bigger boat some day..... So the GX550, with 8k Lbs towing and slightly less space, seems like a good compromise and a few more MPGs day to day and would likely lift it at some point. My Sequoia on 35s rides pretty rough at times with my lift, Bilstein 5100s and rear steal spring spacers... Yes that could be likely addressed with a better lift system, but not worth the $$ at this point in its life.. The E rated tires play into the issues also.

Would not mind a newer Tundra, but I seen some internal bearing issues on the 2022 models reported, sporadically... https://www.tundras.com/threads/3-4-i-force-engine-failures.121107/

So I hope Toyota has had time to sort these issues out in the 23s and 24 model years....

 

Both vehicles you’re looking at run the same TTv6 engine as the Tundra…not saying there will be issues, but Toyota being so cryptic about it does not instill confidence.

I wish the 3rd gen Sequoia had kept the transfer case and roll down rear window of the 2nd gen. It’s also smaller inside and due to the solid rear axle with a hybrid battery sitting right on top of it, it has less cargo volume than a 5th gen 4Runner when the 3rd row is folded. Mega OOF.

Features, space, and reliability-wise, it’s going to be hard to replace your 08. We’re just shy of 174k miles on our 2009 LX, and I can’t see any of Toyota’s new offerings replacing it without some major concessions in features, space, and/or reliability. We will most likely jump to a newer LX or low-mile 2nd gen Sequoia when the time comes.

~3mpg better in the average real-world experience just does not justify a $60k+ price tag AT ALL in my opinion.

Not trying to talk you out of a newer vehicle, but I honestly think you’re driving the most underrated vehicle Toyota has ever made. And I don’t think it will have any problems handling a 7500-lb boat. The Bilsteins and spacers are absolutely the cause of your rough ride. An honest suspension lift and some Defenders (maybe a bit bigger than stock), and you’ll be amazed at the difference.

 

Upgrade to Gen 2 Sequoia TRD PRO. Your get somewhat stylish 4x4 Auto rig with modern bells and whistles like LED headlights, CarPlay/Android Auto, which rides super smooth on those FOX shocks. You can spare a tiny bit of $60k required for Gen 3 upgrade on a few essentials, like tires, Yakima EXO rack and roof basket.

It seems that people get used to Gen 2 reliability and start to assume everything else is on par or maybe only slightly worse. No.

 

People also look at 2nd gen fuel economy and assume if they just spend $60-$90k on a new vehicle it will be way more efficient. Also, no. 3rd gen Tundras and Sequoias are all around 3mpg more efficient lifetime, even if their EPA numbers may be drastically higher. It’s still a heavy vehicle with all the aerodynamics of a Lego brick.