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Thoughts on spindle spacers???

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by csuviper, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. Nov 25, 2015 at 10:58 PM
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    Thoughts on spindle spacers?


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    "This is what our spindle spacer does! takes away all of the stress a levling kit puts on your ball joints without having to buy the expensive uni-ball upper control arms! They are much easier to install too!"
     
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  2. Nov 26, 2015 at 12:52 PM
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    Not sure..havent heard of this, but I would go with I know what can work..
     
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    My friend worked for East Coast Off-Road, and he told me the spindle lift was the best way to lift a 2wd. Somewhat expensive, around $700 just up front. Was looking at going that way, but like the ultimate lift from Toytec.
     
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  4. Nov 26, 2015 at 4:22 PM
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    Yeah I'm going to pass. Additional leverage that was never intended to be on the spindle, and further it will totally screw off the suspension geometry likely leading to camber/caster issues as the suspension moves through it's travel range
     
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  5. Nov 26, 2015 at 4:24 PM
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    The early IFS torsion bar pickups used to have leveling kits that were similar to this since the upper control arm on those trucks held all the load and therefore putting a spacer in there would directly achieve lift.
    On the newer trucks like ours with coilovers I'd stay away from something like these, like you said, stick to what works
     
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    Spindle lift on a 2wd is great, but achieved entirely different than this item
     
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    Yea this was my initial thoughts as well.
     
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    Longer moment arm, added force... lead to failures :boom:

    Thinking you may stress the ball joint mounting points on the UCA and that metal could fatigue and eventually crack under heavy use.
     
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  9. Dec 2, 2015 at 10:20 AM
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    Bwahahahaha. Can we say bump steer?
    Fabricated extended spindles physically move the outer tie rod location. Bump steer is calculated as follows:

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    If you change C without changing D.....you're introducing bump steer. Stupidest fucking thing ever.
    It's completely negligible. The moment arm along the LCA and UCA (pivoting on the frame) takes the load (along with the coilover that's basically trying to break the LCA in half).
     
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    That's the easiest way I've seen bump steer explained. Thanks for the information.
     
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    Some serious black magic voodoo shit huh?
    There are some other factors that can contribute to bump steer, but predominately the process above will get you 90% there, especially when dealing with OE mounting locations.
     
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    Okay so that makes sense. No dropping the LCA down and using extended spindle, say like in a drop bracket lift would this cause bump steer as well?
     
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    Depends on where the steering link mounts to on the spindle. If you drop your LCA and extend out your spindle, the steering link has to move.
     
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    True.
     
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    Great explanation!
     
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    Drop brackets lower the LCA mount points to maintain the ratio of the longer spindles.
     
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    Awesome!!!:thumbsup:
     
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    @nate i do not have the spindle spacers nor do I reccomend them.
     
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