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3rd Gen Suspension Lift - MEGA THREAD

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by KroppDuster, Jun 10, 2022.

  1. Sep 1, 2022 at 10:51 AM
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    KroppDuster

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    The easiest way to think about it is like this:
    • Shocks control "bounce" - They don't carry any weight in of themselves
    • Springs carry the weight and thus allow for more lift
    The only way to add lift to OE springs is by preloading (I.E. "squeezing them" more) the factory springs more than they are when they roll off the assembly line. You can only "squeeze" them so much and thus it limits the amount of lift you can out of them. Preloading too much can also reduce travel (up & down).

    Aftermarket springs add ride height because, most of the time, they have a higher spring rate. You can more height and travel from them.

    Hope that helps.
     
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  2. Sep 1, 2022 at 10:52 AM
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    So the easiest way to answer your question without getting lost in the weeds is that the Eibach Springs that come with the stage 1 kit are longer than OEM springs (and have a different spring rate but that's not critically important for this comparison). They will allow you to capture more lift while giving up less wheel travel. Ex: If you lift 2" on a set of Pro-Truck shocks you'll have less down travel with OEM springs than you would with Eibach springs because you'll have to set the spring perch higher with OEM springs to achieve the same amount of lift.
     
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  3. Sep 1, 2022 at 11:05 AM
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    It all depends on your uses I think

    Eibach will put out something 1-2 levels better than the current OEM offering (minus the Pro’s Fox)…and if they follow what they did on the 2nd gens then we will also get coil-over options and full level and ride height without spacers at a great price.

    So you can mix and match of course but it depends what you want.
     
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  4. Sep 1, 2022 at 11:08 AM
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    Mmm... your head's in the right place, but I just want to put a couple of notes here.
    • When installed on a shock a 14" spring (for example) is going to be the same length regardless of how much lift you are asking out of it. Let's say that the weight of the vehicle compresses the spring 1.5" when on the ground. That spring is going to be 12.5" long under the vehicle's weight regardless of whether or not you're asking it to provide zero lift or 2" of lift. That spring is the strongest component in that system so it's going to find its happy place regardless of how you have the shock positioned inside of it. The only way there would be a different value here is if you found the end of the shock itself which would mean you're just compressing a spring on a shock that has zero additional extension to provide.
     
  5. Sep 1, 2022 at 11:37 AM
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    Awesome feedback, thanks guys! Also, this may explain why the Bilstein 5100's I put on my 19 RAM were set to net 2.5" of lift in the front but I didn't get that? Adding coils would have helped achieve the level I had hoped for?

    When will someone have this product available????
     
  6. Sep 1, 2022 at 4:41 PM
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    Adventure Motors KC just took components from the TRD lift and incorporated it with their own lift stuff. You can see all the details on their Instagram story (@adventuremotorskc)
     
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  7. Sep 1, 2022 at 5:41 PM
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    So, is the consensus to install different rear coils instead of air bags to lift 1/2”-1”? Of course, the only spring available now is the LC springs?
     
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  8. Sep 1, 2022 at 7:24 PM
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    They are a lot of options (and a lot more still in the R&D…test fit stage)

    This video will give you an idea of where things are right now.
    There is more info but it will take some searches and others weighing in when they have the time
    https://youtu.be/avkPK9cg_rs
     
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  9. Sep 2, 2022 at 4:52 PM
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    I wonder if spacers for the top of the rear shock are necessary when installing a coil spring lift. I know the Wescott preload kit has two sets of small 0.5" spacers for the rear shocks. You can see it describe in this video...

    https://youtu.be/8UJSjoaAGoM?t=139


     
  10. Sep 2, 2022 at 5:19 PM
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    Since you're using a 2.5" Dobinsons coil spring and a 1" Pro Comp spacer on top, did you have to use any spacers for your rear shocks to accommodate or compensate for the 3.5" of additional lift? The shock spacers may not be necessary, but I thought I would ask.

     
  11. Sep 2, 2022 at 11:54 PM
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    I believe not…if you get the right coils (taller coils)

    Most of these spacer lifts are re-using the factory coils so no choice as it’s the only way to get more height.

    …but a true lift with taller coils will give you that extra height without anything else.
     
  12. Sep 3, 2022 at 4:27 AM
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    I'm getting the Toyota TRD Lift installed Monday! Going out of town for a bit, but should be a nice thing to come home to.
     
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  13. Sep 3, 2022 at 7:12 AM
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    Looking forward to seeing/hearing your thoughts.
     
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  14. Sep 3, 2022 at 7:38 AM
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    When did you order this and how long did you have to wait for?
     
  15. Sep 3, 2022 at 7:44 AM
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    …and do you mind let us know the price you paid for the kit and how much they are charging for installation?
     
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    I was quoted $2503.80 for the kit and 9hrs ($1200) install. Still debating on which route to go for suspension.
     
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    Make sure to ask for all your original parts back.

    $2500 for the kit isn’t too bad considering all the parts you’ve getting and the warranty. I will strongly consider this when I get my tundra in.
     
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    @Dark - Can't wait to see your truck with the TRD kit. I want to get it but I have the rear air leveling.
     
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    I always request my tear offs, whether it be my truck or my Harley...
     
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    @Dmon187 @bigjuice I prepaid an amount for the kit and new tires with the purchase of my truck when I bought it because it wasn't released yet. That way, it's considered dealer installed. That means no installation cost. If there is any left, they cut me a check.
     
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    Is this for sure unable to go on the rear air leveling trucks. That would suck if true. I was really excited about this lift
     
  23. Sep 4, 2022 at 7:35 AM
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    As long as you don’t have avs it will work, you just can’t use the rear suspension parts in the kit- front will all be the same
     
  24. Sep 4, 2022 at 7:37 AM
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    So my guess is dealers won’t install but I can absolutely add the front components myself or from another shop. What would the back feel like or be like and what might have to happen for this to feel like the lift it’s intended to be?
     
  25. Sep 4, 2022 at 7:38 AM
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    Move your rear air arm up, or buy one of the “lift” versions from someone else.

    I would ask around with dealers, I’m sure there is one that will put the front parts on for you
     
  26. Sep 4, 2022 at 7:41 AM
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    Upon ready the document further it looks like the load leveling might only matter if it’s the TRD sport package.
     
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    That’s how I understand the instructions as well. 2WD TRD sport with the air is no go.
     
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    Yeah man, it's for sure. Can't got on TRD Pro either because of the fox springs.
     
  29. Sep 4, 2022 at 11:05 AM
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    Right hard to believe that the front components won't fit. You lose AVS. Then you can adjust the rear separately. I'm not sure I care about the AVS anyway.
     
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    Do you know if they need any other test mules?
     
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