Tundra towing capacity overstated?

Troy,

your right, it gets very confusing at times.
The biggest issue I found was the rear spring rate.
Get the numbers off your springs and find out what they are rated at.
2,500 lbs each is the number you want.
I changed my springs (2019 platinum crewmax) and it pulls great now.
Equalizer 12K hitch 1,000$ and I’m golden.
30’ TT 1,000 lb tongue weight trailer is at 7,900. Truck is at 7,300.
West coast turn around no issues what so ever, 30 mph winds across midland Texas with 50 mph gusts, again no issues.
I drive 55/65- life’s to precious to be in a hurry.

 

Common sense and safety will allow for an enjoyable trip

 

The Tundra is the only half ton for me. If I have problems from how I use it, I'll accept the cost to fix it. But way too many people have run their trucks over and above the "should never exceed" numbers for years for me to think that I can't haul 1500 lbs of rock a few miles or tow 7-8k lbs every once in a while and be a bit over my GVWR from the tongue weight. 8k lbs is not much more weight than my truck at max GVWR. If I ever need more truck, I’d be in an HD gasser.

Still, the Toyota fanboy in me can’t help but think all of this would be solved for Tundra fans if Toyota would just offer an HDPP package with the iForce Max. 2000 lb of available payload and 583 ft lbs of torque would bring lots of customers back. I mean, come on, that’s only as much payload as a Hilux.

 

What he said!!!!!!!!!
I’m in on a Tundra HD.
Beam me up Scotty

 

3/4 ton Tundra with a straight 6 turbo diesel and Toyota would be taking candy from babies and shooting fish in barrels.

 

Lmao
Agreed 100%

heck I’d settle for a supercharger, but I’m easy to please

 

The iForce Max could be the gasser version. It already has more HP/TQ than every stock gasser HD truck out there.

I would buy an I6 TD HD truck from Toyota in a heartbeat.

 

Since my outlay (monetary) for them doing it is simply the drive up there and the time it takes, I don't consider it bullying.

 

Sorry, the Ford Lightning barely went 86 miles on a charge hauling a 6800lb toy hauler in a recent test I saw that TFL did against a Denali. Electric may be fine for puttering around town... but for work it still is lacking.

 

Well aren't you lucky. Let's see... my low pressure fuel pump recall on the 2019, the problem of which results in it stumbling at times (and almost getting you ran over if you try to "rush" in through a gap in traffic (and yes, my 2019 did that several times), and has still done it a few times AFTER the low pressure fuel pump has been replaced and they want it brought back in immediately after it does it to "test it", which they are either closed or I have other things of a higher priority to do when it happens). The recall because they mis-wired the turn/park lights on the Tundra so that it never engaged the high beam circuit. The recall on some of the Tundra's equipped with halogen headlamps because both the low and high beam circuit were engaged and could overheat the wiring harness (didn't affect mine since it's LED). And I'm STILL waiting on the foam to replace the bottom of one of the front seats because the bolster is breaking down (and no, I'm not "heavy") and started at a little over 8000 miles. Poor sealant on the engine resulting in oil leaks rang a bell for many - so far I've been lucky. And that vaunted "Toyota quality/reliability" carried over to our Camry, it having the same recall for low pressure fuel pump (3 years after purchase) on it.
I get it... some people are "all in" on the Tundra (and Toyota) for it's "vaunted reliability" (which just by the issues related above brings that into question and shows it is no different than any other manufacturer vehicle), and for normal every day truck stuff I love mine... but I'm NOT going to refer to it as a tow champion... because it is NOT and there are competitor vehicles out with higher ratings. And I realize it's a mechanical vehicle that has weaknesses and warts... and can acknowledge that fact. It's a pity here many choose to ignore what even Toyota says is safe and believe that it's fine "because I and others do it and don't have problems".... pretty sure those numbers are in place for a reason, and they aren't simply arbitrary.

And I'm sure that if you went in with a busted drive train and the dealer found out I was towing way outside the provided specs they'd be MORE than glad to provide warranty work on it.
Those numbers are there for a reason... both safety wise and financial coverage against regular abuse.

 

With the Lightning, you'd be stopping about every 80 miles to do a 2-3 hour quick charge. Granted the cost per mile for fuel is less... but then you have to factor in your time.

 

And I'd jump on such a critter (or even 3/4 ton ability with a gasser) in a heartbeat if set up properly... because even with its warts, the Tundra is overall a better vehicle than its competitors. Problem here is many can't stand to face the fact that the Tundra does have some warts and weaknesses when compared to other brands.

 

It’s exactly because of the hitch weight that I have narrowed my choices way down due to payload considerations. My wife and I and dogs are all we’d load into the truck (so maybe 500lbs at the most there) which leaves me approx 700lbs to play with between the hitch weight and wdh weight. PAYLOAD: That’s the big major limiting factor on our trucks as I think honestly they could handle a lot more but to be standing on good moral (and legal) ground I’m trying to keep it at or under the payload for sure. Thanks for your reply,

 

Thank U Sir

I will try to locate my springs numbers and correlate that to a specific weight rating (ie 2500# each) good to know that a 30ft TT is not too much and I’ve been searching for dry trailer hitch weights of 800#s or less but you can tow a 1000# tongue (trailer hitch weight) w/o issue - thx again,

 

My antiquated truck is just perfect for me (this is my 5th Tundra) and my wife suggesting selling it for a 3/4 ton and I shut that down really quickly!!
I just need to bite the bullet and find a smaller trailer that fits our lifestyle (I know 1st world issues!!)

 

Here ya' go since you asked...



Or how about a 2019 XLT 4X4 SuperCrew 6.5 box HDPP max tow?


Or how about just an every-day 2020 F-150 SuperCrew Lariat with moonroof and the max tow package?




Now, let's see how that compares to my 2019 Tundra 4x4 CC SR-5 with it's "vaunted" tow package that doesn't even include a transmission cooler (and have to take 102 pounds from that due to port installed "extras").



See, other manufacturers DO have options, and those options exceed the capability of the Tundra. Now, I can also go grab you stickers for other manufacturers that are lower... but usually those are also a more loaded truck than my SR5 is.

 

Now is not the time for facts and data.
Baseless emotional responses are where us Tundra fan boys reside.

 

Yes, only the mythical HDPP equipped Ford will boast your 2300# plus claims. Most half ton crew cabs will run between 1200# and 1800# depending on equipment.

 

All of my Tundra towing was w/my '08 SR5 more payload, swaybar in the rear, tranny cooler, etc... I'd imagine trying to tow a decent load w/my Pro would feel a lot different. There is way more articulation to the rear wheels than the SR5, and I'd imagine that movement would allow a large or heavier trailer to start moving on you a little easier; so between that and transmission cooler (weight/load induced overheating) that's something else to consider is that as you climb in those areas you may need to spend money on those items as well.

I would say that once the WDH and the anti-sway bars were properly connected things were fairly stable for my '08...

Good luck on finding what works for you and more importantly enjoy exploring / recreating!!!

 

You asked for door stickers with those numbers... and they were provided to you. Remind us... isn't the HDPP a 1/2 ton truck? Since they ARE on the road, and ARE available for purchase AND purchased by drivers, they are not mythical. The fact that you may have to "order" one is not really anything out of the ordinary... people walk onto a dealership lot and not like what they have they either have to special order it OR have the dealer search for existing inventory. We had to do that with our Camry. We wanted a specific color that they dealer didn't have... and they couldn't "work a trade" with another dealer for it so they had to wait until they could get one in on ALLOCATION..and since most Toyota dealers apparently don't do "custom orders" (they have to wait on allocation according to the dealers we talked to when looking for the Camry) it took a while to get in.
Mythical is the claim that Tundra is exceptional.... I even showed you a simple "tow package" equipped Ford SuperCrew WITH a moonroof that the payload was several HUNDRED pounds more than the SR5 CC (with the "tow package") of mine with the standard SR5 load-out. The fact is that Toyota has been sucking hind teat in many aspects of real payload capability for a while. Toyota simply stood on their laurels and failed to make any major improvements to the Tundra until the 2022 model... and some of the things they did I don't consider "improvements".... the engine being one. Was it a surprise to anyone when they started having turbo issues when it was released?

 

I am truly utterly confused by your thoughts. And your actions. Why do you own a Tundra again? If you pull a hundred F150 doors, you won’t find one with a payload of 2300# as you suggested the F150 has. We all know the tundra does not have the payload rating that Ford claims. We can all read charts. I only know one person that drives an F150, and he tells me he wishes he had my truck. I’ve got 4 friends that used to drive GM products that switched to Tundras because they tell me they pull their bass boats better. Hell, even YOU drive a Tundra. It’s a good truck. Doesn’t have to spec the best or be the end all. Pulls the shit out of my camper and hates breaking down. Good luck with whatever is going over there where you are. Hope you find some peace.

 

pulling champion
End thread

 

if you expect the tundra to perform like an f250 with the 7.3 or a Chevy 2500 with the 6.6, I guess you would be sorely disappointed. That isn’t an apples to apples comparison in any respect. That’s like saying the Camry should perform like an Audi……will never happen and shouldn’t expect it to. Those are heavy duty 3/4-1 ton trucks and the tundra is a half ton. I personally towed a 22” hybrid that was right around 4K pounds and it pulled fine. Never felt like I needed more and the brake controller worked fine for me. You may have had a different experience but to then compare the merits of a tundra to the competitors 3/4 or one ton models doesn’t make much sense. They’re two different vehicles with different uses and capabilities…..

 

Hmmm... real world data point. In light of this info, would you agree that Tundra is pulling champion?

@Piki
@Trust86

 

@Tracy Perry can't argue with that data.

Pulling champion confirmed.

 

In light of this concrete evidence, I concur! Tundra is towing, pulling and shop avoiding champion!!

 

And I never claimed it wasn't a decent truck.. and was one of the reasons that I went with it. The simple fact is though that for the past several years it's sucked hind-teat on payload. I just checked the Lariat that a client who's house I was doing IT work for tonight, and his Ford payload is 483 pounds higher than mine. To claim otherwise is to live in fanboy territory. I have no problems acknowledging the good AND the bad about my choice of truck. See, I even knew that the mileage sucked donkey schlong when I got it originally, but I had also bought into the "rock solid reliability"... then the recalls and oil leak issues started cropping up.

 

sorry... overloading a vehicle is very easy... and doesn't prove anything other than there are fools that don't mind endangering others. And how many pounds was that trailer loaded? Got a photo of it with the cargo doors open showing it loaded?
And I'm sure you are one of those that believes that adding air bags increases your carry capacity also?

 

Cool, but is it 2300# ??