Turbo issue

US based manufacturing is the only legal option for a non domestic company building light trucks for the US market.

Also please explain how equating drive train failure to dimming mirrors or giving Toyota a pass for contracting critical parts makes this any better.

 

Toyota sources the turbo assembly from China.

I don't care what any apologist says about "oh, it doesn't matter anymore, any place can build good stuff" that may be somewhat true, but Chinese made car parts definitely have an extremely bad reputation in the industry, both for repair and OEM.

Turbocharger is very complex, and if a manufacturer seeks cost-cutting with the turbos, I personally feel way less comfortable buying their product.
I'd feel a little better if Toyota offered a better warranty, y'all may not like the Nissan Titan, but it comes with a 100k warranty.

I'm surprised I'm apparently the only one suggesting Toyota should increase the warranty. With everything I've seen so far, including the Mardis gras video, failed headlights, peeling off trim, self disassembling rear axle....these are not just rare flukes. I understand the issues Toyota is facing, but they truly are having trouble. They really should bump the warranty up. Especially since we now know the most complicated parts, the turbos, are built by low-bid Communists.

 

A legal issue? The entire truck isn’t made here, just like lots of each domestic truck isn’t made here. Tacomas are made in Mexico, right? Could the Tundra not have been made there to save costs?

I’m not making excuses. I just don’t see how, especially considering Toyota’s track record, that this isn’t largely due to supply chain and workforce issues. Just trying to understand how this is happening without running around pulling my hair out screaming that Toyota has all of a sudden jumped the shark and everything they do is worthless.

Is there a source on that? Not saying you’re wrong; I’ve just only heard it 2nd or 3rd hand on the internet that the turbo is Chinese. And if it is, I don’t think it necessarily follows that it was a cost cutting measure. Other suppliers (again, we’re back to supply chain issues) may not have been available or able to handle it on Toyota’s time frame. Again, not making excuses; just attempting to understand without totally crapping on Toyota and their otherwise generally stellar track record.

Totally agree about the warranty. Especially if your truck has had issues or has been taken apart and reassembled.

 

I will admit, my info regarding the turbo is second hand. I've heard a few times that it's "IHI China" I have also heard that the older Lexus turbos are 3x more expensive, which usually indicates "reliability priority" manufacturing.
Having worked in manufacturing nearly my entire adult life, it all adds up to 75% reliable info that the turbos are made in China.

I used to live in China, and when I was living in Wuxi, Ford built a huge factory there to make parts for US and Chinese market vehicles. To this day, most Ford vehicles have a significant percentage of Chinese parts, the Mustang being a huge offender (transmission made in China!), and I have sworn-off Ford from any consideration because of that.

Anyways, when we bought my wife's 2020 Corolla hatchback, I found out it is made in Japan. When I installed OEM accessories on it, everything under the skin was stamped "JAPAN" it, and all of the OEM parts were either USA or Japan sourced. To this day, her car has been exactly like every typical Corolla ownership experience, perfectly reliable. People get into arguments about vehicles like these that can come from 2 different countries, but I guarantee even those who argue "there's no difference" would secretly choose the Japanese car.
I'm beginning to have serious concerns about the Tundra, if it's true the turbos are Chinese, that's an expensive ass machine to be having cheapest-made-country parts on it.

 

They say Stay away from the first 3-4 months of production with any new model no matter where it’s made..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1JwjBTnWTvE

 

As of today, there are tons of other gen3 issues to pick at, the wastewater issue is old news with no fix in site

 

Still plenty of things on the 2nd gen to pick at too. Difference is everyone's focusing on bashing the 3rd gen to prove they're superior for having a 2nd gen.

Factory radios are junk, cam tower leaks, bed bounce from hell, switches you can't see while driving and hit with your knees, tss faults, weak ass cam tabs that bend flat, headlights that catch fire, turn signals that aren't bright enough, faulty steering racks, wheel bearing issues, camshafts breaking, no driver grab handle, and center console covering peeling off.
That's just what I remember and I'm sure there's more

 

Is this a Chevy forum?

 

If it isn't it's at least sponsored by GM.

The cons of this platform continue to grow. I see their is an actual ck list now for people on here to review to see if their truck is built correctly. Sad....

Just today I learned the bed coat/lining quality is awful.

 

I was anxious to see what the remodel would look like and run like as I was dreaming of a possible trade-in in sight, but the issues the 3rd generations have are way beyond mere aesthetics.

My thing is, Toyota's last "revamp" was in 2014 so you'd think they have had plenty of time to QC this thing to at least have the capstone (haha) of their new power plant not be a miserable failure.

Couple that with the prices these newer models are commanding before you go into the Elysium Field trim package and I'm befuddled as to how they're moving any of these off the lot.

 

I am not bitching about the third GEN because I think the second GEN is awesome. I went from Chevy straight to the third GEN and have tenfold the issues I’ve ever had with any GM vehicle

 

Inquiring minds would like to know...

 

Every vehicle has its issues. The Jeep Wrangler/Jeep Gladiator guys in their forum talk a lot about battery issues, little gremlins in the system, and the dreaded "Christmas Tree" (Every light on the dash comes on and the vehicle goes into limp mode). I guess it all comes down to no matter what you drive, its a matter of how much will you put up with? But those guys don't really differentiate between 1st gen, second gen, etc.... and how much better/worse they are, and I would think Jeep has had a few generations.

But I thought this was a discussion about who's got turbo issues and when and the discussion on its repair. I have had 2 second gen's myself and am waiting on a third gen. I just know that if I still had a 2nd gen I wouldn't want to make those guys who bought a 3rd gen feel insecure or bad or remorse about buying a 3rd gen because none of that is true. Even if it was true, I wouldn't. They bought a real nice truck and I'm sure in time all of this will go away in time.

 

Didn’t make posts about some of it, there is a list in there somewhere.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/2022-tundra-platiunum-8-days-old-in-the-shop.104534/#post-2689090


https://www.tundras.com/threads/2022-tundra-platinum-headlight-issue.105653/#post-2716948


https://www.tundras.com/threads/platinum-badge-peeling-off.105600/#post-2716165

 

• Not an actual issue, personal preference.
• Not an actual issue, the affected cam towers are just a bit damp. People complain because they expect perfection from Toyota, not because this actually affects the truck in any way.
• Mildly annoying nature of the beast.
• To me, big buttons you can find without taking your eyes off the road is a feature, not a bug.
• Not an actual issue (I have seen a message saying it’s disabled once in adverse weather. Didn’t put my truck in limp mode or require me to visit the dealer or anything. Wiped off snow, and all good.)
• Yes and if you screw your TC drain plug too tight you’ll strip it out. Not the truck’s fault people don’t know what they’re doing.
• This actually happened to a vanishingly small number of trucks. Like single digits. Toyota being Toyota, they issued a massive sweeping recall for it.
• Actual issue! And the fix requires swapping two wires IIRC.
• Again, tiny number of trucks actually affected, yet Toyota sent notices to hundreds of thousands of Tundra and Sequoia owners just in case any of them had a steering rack replaced (like from a collision) with one that might have been manufactured while the one faulty machine was in operation.
• Unfamiliar with this issue unless you're talking about the guy who grossly overloaded his truck with hay bales and a trailer and actually blew a rear axle bearing. Seems the 3rd gen is the one with the inner hub bolts just coming out for no apparent reason.
• Unfamiliar with this issue. Vanishingly rare, or a very quickly remedied early issue, I’d imagine.
• Lame cost-cutting measure, but not actually a faulty part issue.
• I saw one pic of this as well. I’m guessing there are hardly any of these.

No truck is perfect. But the 2nd gen Tundra is damn close. I'm hoping that in time, the 3rd gen will continue that heritage.

 

broad brush there with the “everyone”.

“everyone” is not bashing the 3rd gen, I for one want to buy one but trying to figure out when they get the QC up to Toyota standards, which is not perfect nor does it have to be , but for my 70k it’s not even close yet.

 

I concur^

 

I don't know folks, perhaps my Tundra was hand built? My Bed Lining solid as a rock. December Build Date and no issues? No Wind noise, No Rattles, Everything works. Just had Head Unit Update - No Issues.

 

I'm laying it on very thick.

 

Good to hear

 

Play down the issues all you want. This new Tundra is atypical for Toyota.

I bought my wife a then new Corolla hatchback in 2019. New 2.0 with dual fuel injection and a CVT with physical 1st gear. All new for 2019.
The forums for that car is essentially devoid of legitimate issues. Just people complaining about Car Play and Android Auto not being available until later. And rattles, of course, no vehicle is immune from complaints like that. The new Tundra does seem to have serious issues.

However, I'd still buy one. The ones I looked at didn't have messed up trim or bed liner, rear axle was bolted in correctly, and all the cameras worked ok.
I bought my Titan 13 years ago, everyone says they are shit, but that truck never has had a problem.

I will say that I do consider these Tundra issues at the same time I consider the much higher transaction prices these days. If I could get a Tundra under MSRP, no doubt I'd do it in a second. For MSRP+ I just gotta keep driving the old Titan until it actually turns into shit like everyone says they are.

Oh, BTW that logic doesn't apply to domestic trucks, they are actual shit

 

There are always going to be issued with every 1 first model year. The new Tundra may be atypical, but it's completely blown out of proportion. The 3rd gen was already a controversial truck before it was even announced to be due to the unguarded secret of it being a TTV6. So naturally, the TTV6 comes out, a handful of trucks have issues with said TTV6, and all the V8 diehards go "SEE! SEEEEE!! SEEEEEE SEE SEE SEE SEEEEEE!!! I TOLD YOU TTV6 IS BAD!!! TOYOTA LOST IT'S WAY WHEN THEY DROPPED THE V8!!!"

At least that's how I'm seeing it. You only really hear about the Tundra having issues on Tundra-related groups. But otherwise, everyone else in the real world is getting by just fine.

 

I literally compared one Toyota totally new rollout to the Tundra. Apples to apples.

There is a problem with some Tundras that is significantly worse than previous Tundras and other current Toyotas. That's not overstating it.

However, I agree Toyota will resolve issues some may have. I'd rather take my chances on a Gen 3 Tundra than any domestic, just sucks that the Tundra is having unusual issues

 

Your comparison was to a Toyota Corolla. I understand the point you're trying to make, but the Toyota Corolla is easily the least controversial car ever made. The market demographic is for people who want to drive to work as cheaply as possible, and therefore don't care about anything as long as it runs.

 

Modern Corolla is nothing like previous generation.
It finally (the 2.0 versions) has a complicated engine with port and DI fuel injection, the 1.8 was ancient, all LED lighting, TSS 2.0, all soft touch interior including the dash and entire door panels, 4 wheel disc brakes, etc etc. It literally is like an underpowered Lexus. Oh, and the stereo sounds better than the Tundras stereo. The old Corolla was a beige penalty box with an ancient 1.8, hubcaps, 4 speed automatic. It got most of it's reliability from not changing much in decades.

So, maybe the new Tundra is just more complicated and therefore has some new-to-toyota issues?

 

Have you spent any extended time in Alabama? I have and quite enjoy it there. Especially the people and their honest, old fashioned work ethics. Alabama isn't the problem. Outsourcing and their poor QC. Look at the '21 rack recall. For months racks were being produced with an improperly cut snap ring groove. Over 5,000 escaped this way and in my opinion if Toyota hadn't caught it, the poorly inspected racks would have been sent out for a much longer period of time.
I have little doubt the specs for the turbo and wastegate as sent from Toyota were correct but the manufacturer didn't follow those specs.

 

The new Corollas are definitely great cars. Have a friend who has a 2020 XLE Hybrid. But she didn't even know it had Apple Carplay until I pointed it out. That's the typical Toyota Corolla buyer. Now, that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the Corolla. In fact, there never has been. It serves its purpose and it serves it perfectly. It's why it's literally the most sold car in the world and has been for decades. But to say the average Corolla owner gives a shit about anything except if it has 4 wheels and an engine that starts, you're viewing it from a too personal viewpoint.

The Tundra is definitely a more personal vehicle. It's the reason why there's no single cab version with all the creature comforts stripped out of it. That's not what 99% of truck owners want anymore. A base model 2022 SR is more luxurious than a fully loaded 2000 Tundra and simply from observation in the real world, the average cost of half-ton trucks is over $50k. A fully loaded Corolla is half that. The point I'm trying to get to is the average Corolla buyer wants a Corolla for A to B, the average truck buyer wants it to do everything from A-Z. So Toyota came out and threw everything they had at the Tundra. Compare the specs of a 2022 Tundra to a 2022 Lexus LS and tell me what it's missing aside from massage seats. When there's more crap that can go wrong, more will go wrong.

I'll give you a quick summary of the features I'm referring to:

- Heated and ventilated seats
- Wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
- Heads-up display
- Driver's seat memory function
- Adaptive variable suspension
- Heated steering wheel
- Full leather interiors
- Panoramic roofs

So of course things are going to be more complicated on a brand new vehicle that was designed during one of the worst times to manufacture one. There is so much new tech going on in the Tundra it's not even funny. Turbos are a relatively new thing for Toyota. Yes, they've done them before, but not in something mainstream like a Camry, Corolla, or a Rav4. A vehicle where they'll figure it all out within months, assuming the world isn't on fire around them causing an ungodly amount of obstacles. I'm not excusing Toyota for the QA issues with the Tundra, but the minority is always very vocal. You can serve 100 people dinner, and you'll end the night with 3 good reviews and 1 bad one. 94 people might end up satisfied with your food and only 6 being dissatisfied, but according to reviews, it would look more like only 75 people were satisfied and 25 dissatisfied.

 

Alabama is ranked 47/50 for education.

 

Agree. Ford outsourced the MT82 trans to China. Most work pretty good-some have problems. It's were there built and questionable QC that is the issue.

 

Holy rant Batman

Apache Junction represent!