Payload Stickers?

These payload stickers are baffling. I've seen DC SR5's with only 10 lbs more than that Limited. No PANO roof, etc.

 

There must be pot of gold and iron hidden somewhere on these trucks that weigh a lot.....

The bottom line is no matter what the trim, model, etc..... I out are not going to see over 1,600 payload. If that even matters to you.

 

They really are. We need to start paying attention to GVWR listed as well. The more-equipped second gens had higher GVWRs…my payload/GVWR is 1270/7200; my neighbor’s 2020 double cab Limited TRD OR is 1300/7100. His truck is identical to mine underneath—same frame, shocks, springs, brakes, axles, wheels, tires, etc. Mine is just a bigger, fatter pig with the crewmax backseat, so I get a 100 lb bump in GVWR.

I wonder how much they’re raising GVWR in order to cushion the payload on various 3rd gens. Lowest 2nd gen GVWR I’ve seen is 7000 lb. so there is a 200 lb range that isn’t accounted for by anything in particular. It really seems they just raise it for trucks that have higher curb weights.

 

I thought the CM standard beds have 7395 or something like that.

 

I believe that is the upcoming hybrid models. They increase payload by 195 pounds to compensate for the 300 lb. Batteries.

 

True. What I've noticed over the years is for safety sake I beef up the rear suspension. For example, the '05 Tundra. I took it onto a 4-lane right away, did a simulated emergency lane change at 60mph. Rear end was difficult to control, wouldn't track with the front.

Solution was Bilstein HD shocks, Hellwig helper springs, Hellwig rear swaybar. Squat was controlled, rear end didn't twitch around yanking the wheel hard left-right simulating a highspeed emergency lane change.

Did the mods change the factory payload? No. Did the mods make the truck safer? Yes. Did the mods put too much stress on the rear axle/bearings, a false sense of security to overload the rear? No, just a matter of enhancing the soft Toyota rear end.

I figure the 3rd Gen has soft rear springs - progressive springs but still on the softer side. For those that are using it for loads I wouldn't hesitate to slap in HD aftermarket rear coils. Sumo and Timbren will have rear bumps out soon, those are really good for rear sway control and load management.

 

A 4x2 dc must be over 1500 or a sr?

 

No pic but I saw one on a dealer lot owned by the sales manager-1510 on a limited crewmax 4x2.

 

Yep, somebody needs to find one of those, because that's where the 1900+ lb claim was made.

 

I posted a pic that showed 1555 on a dc 2wd sr5. A 1940 payload does not exist. Toyota uses payload specs for "comparison sake only" and your Load Carrying Capacity on the sticker is what the truck is rated for, or your "payload".

 

Needs to be an SR; that's the "work truck" model.

I think we've already established that the GVWR is a bit arbitrary. Heck they might have put stiffer springs on the SR.

 

No, the SR is not gonna have any "payload" advantage over an SR5. They have the same specs, gvwr and curb weight.

 

I'm surprised they would have the same curb weight.

 

Ladies and Gents, we have a winner!!

 

I think you’re right, but the other moving target is GVWR. Toyota apparently exercises some leeway with their GVWR ratings as we’ve seen on this thread. If a truck exists that has the highest GVWR that they’ll allow on the 3rd gen while also being minimally optioned and having the lowest curb weight, maybe it could get there? But with all we’ve seen so far, it really doesn’t seem that way. In fact, it seems that Toyota bumps GVWR up to help the payload rating on the better-optioned (read: higher curb weight) trucks.

 

Above is correct with the leeway on gvwr and is the reason the 2wd dc sr5 longbed has a higher load carrying capacity than a shortbed by 30-40ish pounds. The longbed even has the big tank standard.

 

So it seems Toyota is just stick default payload stickers on the trucks and not actually applying stickers for the actual truck in that configuration?



So here is a Limited Crew 2x4 at 1420 lbs just like the manual says:


Limited Double cab 4x4 at 1490, just like the manual says:



SR5 Double cab 2x4 at 1555. Yup, same as the manual:



SR5 Double Cab 4x4. 1500, just like that manual:



These are all the pictures from this thread. And they are lock step with the numbers posted in the manual. I really wonder if people went and weighed their trucks they would find out they have more payload than they think. These can't be right. The door sticker on the SR5 DC 2x4 shows 7035 lb GVWR, but it has a payload of 1555. That would suggest the truck weighs 5445 lbs.

 

Andre's door sticker from TFL Truck. 4x4 Limited Crewmax:



1400, just like the manual.

 

My point is, the door stickers are BS. If you don't bring the truck to a CatScale than the door sticker might be selling the truck short by several hundred lbs.

 

Y'all, I'd pull back on the assumption that the trucks have higher payload than the door jamb. The door jamb sticker is gospel, unless you can get Toyota to change it out for you, that's the official payload, like it or not. The second yellow sticker is how Toyota adjusts the payload on the primary sticker. It seems every yellow sticker is zero or negative value, haven't seen one yet that adds capacity.

And we still haven't been explained the payload disparity yet...

 

Payload = GVWR - Vehicle Curb Weight with full fluids (oil, coolant, full tank of gas)

 

Not according to Toyotas fine print, payload is "for comparison only". The LCC is the "Gospel". The longbed 2wd has a higher LCC because of more games with GCWR...

 

Gospel to who... and for what?! There is no legal basis or requirement where the owner is concerned. If you are actually talking about the Brotherhood of Evangelic Fundamentalist Payload Stickerists ... then... ok. I guess you can make up the rules as you like.

 

Thank you for this information. Does the manual decipher the various model codes?

 

I disagree. The GVWR is all that matters. If you go cat scale with your truck and find it out its only 5300 lbs instead of the 5500 the payload stick suggests, and your GVWR is 7000 lbs, then you can load that truck up to 7000 lbs and you really have 1700 lbs of payload.

The reason people use the payload sticker is because, on most trucks, they are right. My F150 Cat Scaled within 20 lbs of the sticker.

If I was buying a Tundra right now or already bought one, i'd be driving over to the cat scale to figure out what it really is.

 

No clue why the stickers arnt up there. Maybe they are being hyper conservative and calculating the payload for a fully loaded truck with every option.

And that kinda seems to be the case. A Limited crewmax 4x4 is going to be heavier than as SR crew max 4x4. And yet the limited still gets the 1400 lb sticker and I am guessing maybe the SR would too.

 

You gotta look at GVWR, too. Is GVWR the same on those trucks? There was a range of GVWRs on the 2nd gens...6900 to 7200 if I recall correctly. It may be that Toyota is fudging GVWR in order to give the better equipped trucks (sunroof, spray-in bedliner, etc) comparable payload ratings.

In the pics you posted above, you can see two GVWRs on the other sticker: the 4x2 Limited crew was 7035, and the 4x4 SR5 double cab was 7000. I'm curious as to how wide the range is.

Last thing...knowing Toyota, this is a slim chance: the hybrid trucks are so much more powerful I'm wondering if they'll come with a higher payload package. Maybe the GVWR will be closer to 8k lbs on those, and we'll see 1940lb of payload in the double cabs. Not likely, but that would make sense...

 

They are closer to 8000k.

https://toyota-cms-media.s3.amazona...2_Toyota_Tundra_Product_Information_FINAL.pdf

This document shows a GVWR for a crewmax 4x4 of 7780 lbs and a minimum of 7230. The 7230 is what Andre's crewmax 4x4 truck is a few posts up, you can see it on the sticker.

Still, if his truck has a 7230 lb GVWR and has 1400 lbs of payload then they are saying it weighs 5830 lbs, which doesnt really add up but I suppose it could be true.

Either way, they are messing with the Payload sticker.

 

Hybrid appears to add 500-600lbs to the curb weight. Didn’t they say 13k lbs towing? I don’t see that anywhere…

 

Some serious mental gymnastics going on in here.

Dudes, if y'all want to load your truck up however you see fit, knock yourselves out. But stop trying to justify it by airing out your dubious claims in public.

The freaking sticker literally says "should never exceed". Will you break your truck with your dubious maffs? Highly unlikely. I'm not arguing that you can't do it, I'm not trying to crimp your freedom to load your personal truck how you see fit.

If y'all want to win this argument with me, contact Toyota and have them put it in writing, better yet... issue you a capacity sticker that verified YOUR math.

That's what I mean by "gospel". Toyota has spoken, and those are the numbers, "should never exceed" is the only response Toyota will issue.