Payload Stickers?

You might be able to if it doesn't have to be a 4x4 luxury build. You just might have to wait until production is up enough that there is a good variety of trims and packages on lots. With the current outrageous demand Toyota is going to focus on the bedazzled setups that have a higher profit margin, so the bare bones ones that will have higher payloads probably won't be rolling off the lines for quite a while.

 

No, they don't as far as I've been able to find.

Pretty sure the 9.75 axles are the same, the axle rating goes up because of the springs. Wheels, shocks, springs, tires are precisely the things any Tundra owner would upgrade if they intended to haul loads. On the previous gen, the Tundra frame and rear axle were beefier than any on an F150.

 

There probably aren’t enough of us to petition for certifying modest payload increases by doing a certain number of upgrades to the truck like you can do in other countries. Too bad. It would be nice to throw new leaf packs on the rear and upgrade brakes, etc for a certified 500lb bump.

 

This. @Mattedfred I think in Canada we only get 4x4s and SR5 is supposedly the lowest trim but if you can skip the TRD Sport and Off Road packages, a DC in that configuration is going to give you the highest possible payload. If that isn't enough for you, I recommend taking a look at GM.

 

It's done in other countries because the GVWR is actually a legal requirement. In the US it isn't, so you can do as you like. I much prefer how it is now rather than get the law and government involved...

BTW, the little midsized trucks in other counties are rated to haul over 2,000 lbs also.

 

They are not. look at the picture in my post. The lubricant capacity is different and I believe they use the thicker 35 spline axle shafts similar to the Raptor. The axle housing and shaft part numbers are different.

 

Those little trucks are actually capable, though. Google the differences between a Tacoma and a Hilux. They are wildly different. The rest of the world doesn’t have wide smooth-as-silk roads like the US or the strong preference for a Lexus sedan-like ride out of their pickups like American truck buyers. The rest of the world actually needs midsize HD trucks. Sucks for those of us who would like that here; I’d pick a 70 series or a Hilux all day long over my Tundra, and I love my Tundra.

 

Yes, all that adds weight and I'm not sure how it helps with towing. You can argue 20s may feel more stable but they'll also ride rougher. Everyone I know with trucks who tows RVs does fine with 18s.

 

So is the Tundra (at least the old one) if you upgrade the obvious weak points. They make it soft for commuters, but we can easily upgrade it to haul loads or bound over whoops in the desert. I'm fine with that and so are most people... except the ones complaining in this thread!

 

I'm looking at my truck in the driveway right now, has about 200+ extra pounds of frozen slush on the undercarriage.

All of this wrangling over assumed "actual" capacity has me realizing the implications of the condition my truck currently is in.

Maybe Toyota is holding down the official rating to 50% of what would be safe, in good conditions, on a straight and level road.
But, being conservative as they are, they understand even if the truck won't break at 2x the official capacity, things like long downhills, 200 additional pounds of ice, wind, high temps, low temps, etc can create extreme hazards even though the STATIC capacity of the truck is solid. The truck will behave incredibly differently under certain circumstances when loaded heavy.
Asserting you can load even heavier is somewhat factual, but would be a far nastier surprise if the above conditions occur when loaded as heavy.

You are free to "overload" your truck above rated capacity all you want, but it's on you to unload the truck back down closer or below it's rating before you experience adverse conditions.

 

I’m fine with being over GVWR but under axle ratings. I’m not telling anyone else what they should be comfortable with.

Plenty of people have trucks that sit at weights over their axle ratings. I’m thinking particularly of a couple of truck camper conversion Tundras on YouTube amd the million-mile Tundras, of course.

 

Interesting. My Honda Element is rated to tow 1,500 pounds in the US but 1,500 kg in Australia. Does right hand drive increase the towing capacity by 2.2 times?

 

I'm curious what you are thinking the specific differences would be for adverse conditions. For instance I mod my Tundra so it handles better with 2500 lbs than any stock 1 ton with that load... and then it snows. How will this make things worse for me vs the 1 ton?

 

Dude, you are really doing some serious mental gymnastics on this subject.

If it's so safe to do, why doesn't Toyota just do it?

If it's not a big deal, Toyota could make the claims you do and technically own the half ton market.

But, to your point, and yes I've read your assertions that the Toyota frame can be "measured" I suspect for some kind of evaluation to reveal the "true" strength....if you run 2500 pounds in your truck, mostly in the bed I presume, in the snow, a few things happen...
Those heavy duty trucks weigh more, meaning when they run 2500 pounds, it affects the ratio of front/rear distribution less

Those trucks have heavier tire ratings, something minor, like smacking ruts or train tracks is less likely to cause tire failure
In the same thought, it's undeniable (unless you really want to go there) that heavy duty trucks have heavier, stronger frames, and in the snow, a minor slide into a ditch or curb with 2500 pounds in a half ton could total out your truck, whereas a heavy duty truck could shrug off the same minor incident, maybe needing an alignment.

But, of course you wouldn't have such a minor mishap?

 

Dude... I'm sorry the gymnastics are getting too difficult for you (), but...

Toyota doesn't do it because it would expose them to greater liability and warranty repairs (remember, people are stupid)... and they don't have to... because owners can do it themselves if they want.

My truck will have near 50/50 weight distribution, vs 61/39 empty, so I don't see that being an issue.

My tires have higher ratings than the 1 tons and are bigger and fatter. Better traction and flotation.

I'll also have better suspension than the 1 ton and less weight, so slamming into the ditch will put less force on the frame. Maybe the 1 ton would still win a ditch-slam contest, but it wouldn't be a runaway victory.

 

Sorry if I come off rude.

I don't totally disagree.

However, I own a half ton truck, and drive Super Duty Ford's at work.

I've towed 10k and (separately) hauled over 1600 in the bed several times. Slightly over it's ratings.

With the Super Duty trucks I've towed over 20k on regular basis and carry 2k in the bed, sometimes at the same time.

Most people who have similar experiences as me would agree, the heavier trucks are always a better choice. The Super Duty trucks handle those aforementioned tasks almost like nothing's there.
My half ton, and be honest, all half tons really feel the weight. I feel half tons may be getting overrated a bit.
And it's not that my personal half ton is weak, the new F-150s we have at work feel every bit of a heavy load as my truck.

 

There is a thread on here re: 5th wheels.

Guy swore up and down his tundra was the end all, totally safe, etc.. much the same arguments being made here.

Anyways to his credit he got a super duty and ae back to correct his posts. Claimed there was just no comparison.

 

I'm curious what he did to his Tundra to make it better for towing... or was it stock? No doubt the 1 tons will handle loads much better in stock configuration, because the springs, shocks, and tires are designed for a load, unlike 1/2 tons. I've seen several people state that their Tundra with very reasonable mods carries a load better than a stock 3/4 or 1 ton, though.

 

Look up the difference between a semi-floating rear axle (half ton trucks) and a fully floating rear axle (3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks). You could beef up shocks, springs, brakes, cooling for engine and transmission, you could box the C-channel frame in the rear and reinforce it like some here have done. And you’d still have a half-ton truck. You’d still have that semi-floating rear axle where heavy loads make your bearings wear out prematurely. Or explode, like the guy on this forum who overloaded his Tundra with hay bales.

I guess you could try to put new axles on it. At that point, is it still a Tundra? You might as well have just bought an HD truck and saved yourself tons of time and money trying to turn your truck into an HD truck, which is something it will never actually be.

 

I would like a full floater, but Tundra axles are strong enough. The Tundra bearings sometimes wear out due to poor tolerances and preload, not because of carrying a load. Boxing the frame would be nice for stiffness reasons and direct camper mounting but not for strength. >1 ton trucks all have frames more flexible than the old Tundra's. Engine and transmission cooling and brakes are more than up to the task, no worries there. Anyone who wants to offroad with a load in their 1 ton will do mods at least as extensive as I need to do with my Tundra. Their suspension and tires suck in that capacity.

Which do you think will have fewer issues then... a Tundra or a 1 ton domestic?

 

Here’s the axle bearing destruction thread. 4 x 1500 lb hay bales on a trailer (that’s only 6k lbs plus the trailer weight) plus another 1500 lb hay bale in the bed. Dude blew out his rear axle bearings. A modern 3/4T or 1T truck would have been fine with that. This happened under his tow rating but well above his payload rating.

 

Doesn't mean what you think it means. How many times did the million mile Tundra guy blow out his bearings hauling 2700 lbs?

 

You mean on the smooth pavement that 90% of the driving as a hotshot is vs the few "rough" roads the hay was hauled on that would be far more representative of the off roading you say it'll handle while overloaded?

 

Are you suggesting there is no difference hauling a very heavy load in just the bed vs hauling 9k lbs with an additional 1500lb in the bed?

I’m comfortable being over payload occasionally. I’m not comfortable towing at or near max capacity while doing it. If I needed to do the latter, I’d reluctantly sell my truck for an HD rig.

 

10% of 1,000,000 miles is still 100k...

Like a few in that thread said, that bearing had been failing for a long time. Plenty of people have had axle bearings fail while never hauling a load, and it's almost always the right one. With bearings like these if the mounting tolerances are off the bearings experience much higher side forces (which they aren't designed for) and they fail. If tolerances are good they last forever if they are kept lubed and clean.

From Jowitt Engineering: "The rear axle is just plain overkill on this truck... along with the rest of the truck. I'd say the weakest part of the axle is the 5 bolt hub. The rear bearing is a dual row ball angular contact. It measures 3.34" OD x 1.92" ID and 1.88" wide. So a 1.47" shaft tapering out to a tad over 1.92". Quite a bit larger than any previous generation big three truck. From what I can gather, the only other truck to use a double row ball is the Dodge with a 2.97" OD x 1.57" ID x 1.57" wide unit. The Ford and Chevy use single row rollers just under 3" OD, shafts of 1.6 - 1.7", bearing width of 1" - 1.19"

 

The million mile Tundra you keep referencing , is there any proof of it actually doing it or just the owners claim that it did it ?
As far as the frames go , how many Tundras on this forum alone that have an accident ( either front end , rear end or side impact ) that end up being totalled due to frame damage ? If the frames were so overbuilt why would they bend like that ? ( this is not a knock on the Tundra as I think any 1/2 ton would be the same ) .

 

Vehicles these days are designed to permanently bend (plastically deform) in a collision, in order to reduce G forces and protect occupants.

 

Read as; vehicle now days are made to crumple under high enough stress... so let's overload it...

 

We have 15 years of data for 2nd gen Tundras. Do they crumple when hauling a load? ... and flying over whoops and jumps in the desert?

 

Limited double cab.