Payload Stickers?

Looks like they were about 400lb overly optimistic . This is a huge marketing error

 

I think those are 2.5 gen payloads. Takr away my 38 gal tank and thats what my dooe sticker would read.

 

they match perfectly what I've seen on the Gen 3 stickers. 1395 for SR5 and 1400 for the Limited

 

If you guys don't trust the website, manual or door sticker, fill up your gas tank and go weigh your truck, then subtract that weight from your GVWR (assuming that number is correct).

 

Good idea but what truck to weight? This is the deciding factor in my decision to get one or move to another brand. I as much payload as I can for a Travel trailer. 1400lb is not enough with a family of 4.

 

I think you'll have to go with the Ford payload package if you want a 1/2 ton or just get a 3/4 ton and be done with it and do it right

 

Dumb question, but these 3rd gen Tundras have an optional air suspension. Is that the missing link in this conversation?

 

That's why I was hoping for great numbers from the Tundra, based on the listed specs. 3/4 not an option as this will be my wife's daily truck until the weekend comes

 

My '21 Titan XD Platinum Reserve, 4x4, 6'-7" bed with every available option has a payload rating of 1,708 lbs. The Pro4X has a payload over 2k lbs.

It is much nicer and drives way better than my previous 2500HD Denali too. And is just as solid of a tow vehicle as the old 3/4-ton was. For all the reviews saying "it isn't rated as high as the domestic 3/4-ton trucks, so it sucks"....well all those dipsh*ts are correct. It's really a heavy 1/2-ton with 3/4-ton brakes and steering and is absolutely perfect for those of us towing 5k lb travel trailers with a lot of extra stuff in the truck once or twice a month, yet care about things such as payload, comfort and ride quality.

Yeah, yeah.....I know "resell sucks", "Nissan sucks"....I don't really care about all of that nonsense, it's the right truck for our needs and I can tell you that with two Toyota trucks and one Nissan currently sitting in our garage the Nissan is the one I want to drive every day.

 

Or a GM with the max trailering package.

 

These guys ignored the door jamb numbers for over a million miles. First guy carried loads up to 2700 lb in his bed.



2nd guy said he went way over his payload rating as well, although I didn't find where he said exactly how much. His bed looked more trashed than the first guy's, though.

 

I don't care what the door jamb says. If I don't like rear squat I beef up the springs, and voila problem solved. The truck won't self destruct by beefing up the soft factory springs.

 

I've often wondered this: why offer an airbag suspension when your payload is equal to that of a Hyundai Santa Cruz. My guess is they're expecting people will do exactly what you're saying.

 

I don’t know what’s worse. The comment or the two people that liked it? But I have told her she’s not a spring chicken anymore. That didn’t go over very well.. oh well.

 

Great question. Is there any info available regarding how payload capacity is affected with the optional air suspension?

Also, for the Canucks, have you seen any information regarding the air suspension being an option in Canada? I haven’t seen anything.

 

Payload is simply GVWR - curb weight.

Exactly how/where are they conservative and by how much? I always hear this but have never seen any data to back it up.

Sure you can add all types of things to improve handling (heavier springs, sway bars, etc.), but none of this changes the actual payload and in fact reduces it due to added weight.

From my observation on all of the RV forums and FB groups I belong to you have two classes of people.

1. People who care about the specifications the engineers have listed.
2. People who have vehicles with notoriously low payloads and strongly advocate that the numbers are made up, overly conservative or not important so they should be ignored.

Here's what Toyota has to say about it:

"The gross vehicle weight must never exceed the GVWR indicated on the Certification Label."

Now if you're a few pounds or a few hundred pounds over payload is the truck going to self-destruct? Absolutely not.

But "far beyond the rated capacities"? How far? How much over rear axle GAWR is acceptable? How far beyond GVWR? I'd like to know what the allowable percentages are honestly.

 

Good luck prying that information out of a Toyota engineer - if they even know.

 

I can pull our travel trailer with my 1st Gen lifted Tacoma all day long. Now longevity, emergency maneuvers or stopping may be an issue, but I guarantee I can pull it. But I probably shouldn't.

 

There is information about it: it's not available in Canada. Another "master class" decision by Toyota Canada, beside all the other stand alone options or packages not available here on SR5 or Limited: Tow mirrors, PVM, etc.

 

This is from a 2031 F150 XTR, crew cab short box.

 

TFL uploaded a video with their payload sticker and it’s a ‘22 Crewmax limited 5.5’ bed. The payload is 1,400 lbs. So disappointing, not what it shows on their web site at all. Any that I’ve seen are around that 1400 lb mark. It is better than our 2019 Tundra which is just above 1100 lbs and about the same truck. F-150’s are higher, but not worth all the mechanical issues you will likely deal with. My first Tundra was a 2007 and went to 120k miles before I traded it in and it was solid to that point.

 

I think it's a reasonable assumption that the number is set by an engineer. But, is it set by the team who designed the truck (specifically the frame, suspension, brakes, axles)? Or does another team of safety engineers come in and assess it? How much does the in-house legal department get involved? Whether it's engineering or legal or both, the end result is a safety buffer. It's de-rated a certain % below actual capability. What would that % be? 25? 30? Even higher?

There are loads (get it) of examples of 2nd gen Tundras carrying substantially more than they're rated for in the bed. I'm thinking of the million-mile trucks, every built overlander you see on the road, flatbed truck camper conversions on YouTube that sit at 9k lbs, etc. Who knows about the 3rd gen at this point. But with its boxed frame, I bet it holds up, too. I would also think the composite bed would get trashed, but there are just as many Tacoma guys who are heavier than their door jamb numbers as well. Beef up the rear suspension if you squat. In Australia for example, doing this literally earns you a higher payload rating.

I'm not telling everyone to go overload your trucks. But I'm also not going to choose a different truck with a higher payload rating that I strongly believe will give me more headaches over the life of my ownership simply so I can haul heavy loads two or three times per year.

 

Living in the future

 

Perks of a government job.

I'm totally leaving that typo.

 

One other issue with overloading is that in case of an accident while carrying more load than specified, the insurance companies will deny the claim as I heard that this is the first thing they check.

 

Get a ram 2500 with the same coil suspension in the back, its no bigger than the tundra she will love it and it will get the job done.

 

People say this on forums all the time. Give me one example of that ever happening with a non-commercial vehicle. They’d have to drag the wreck to the scales. How much of the truck’s and/or trailer’s fluids leaked out? How much did the weight shift due to the accident or evasive maneuver? I’m not saying it has never happened. Just can’t find a single example of it.

For commercial vehicles with their DOT numbers on the door, yeah, you better be within your GCWR. Look at the amount of people towing and hauling well beyond their numbers in their half tons. I’m not advocating for it; just saying those numbers are a CYA for the manufacturer. The more cautious and conservative the manufacturer (ahem, Toyota!) the lower the numbers.

 

Nobody can give you an example, its one of biggest urban legends out there....its even difficult to find the code sections in states traffic codes that even covers this....everything is based on COMMERCIAL vehicles.... Canada has some rules on this you can find, but the US it is difficult..I have looked, and determined this is an urban legend....even my insurance agent was like...huh...

And sometimes, the payloads are higher on the same vehicle in a different country...base on..wait for it...Govt regulations and vehicle catagories etc.

I'm gonna guess you can put about 2K in the back of a tundra day in or day out with very little issue....and I am being conservative

 

Has anyone had a chance to look at payload stickers on air suspension trucks yet?

 

Has never happened. Loading past GVWR is not illegal. The manufacturer sets that to limit their warranty and liability, and it's based on the stock configuration. The government and the law and the insurance companies are not involved.

If you are going to run a big load in your Tundra, do the appropriate shock, spring, and tire upgrades... and if it handles fine, you should be good.