2022 Tundra

I haven't seen them myself, just read what others who've seen them have posted here.

 

In a 2WD XL, no doubt.

 

https://youtu.be/1oyfTVh3GSk

At 3:34 She said the limited she drove had the rear ventilated and heated seats. If true and maybe I can get a heads up display as well?

 

No, the 4x4 crew cab or super crew(whatever they call it) with the 3.5 can get you that payload in the F150. If you go with the 2wd xl you can get 3K

Ford may do a lot of things wrong, but if you need maximum payload, and you insist on a 1/2 ton truck for some reason....Ford would be the one.

 

Apparently the 1/2 ton truck segment is a steaming pile of uselessness. This makes these vehicles not very useful
It seems the F-150 Lariat and Platinum 4x4 3.5ttv6 SuperCrews are indeed in the 1400-1700 range on door stickers due to the options.

I love the statement from this guy who bought a Tundra a couple years ago:

 

Lol....yeah that is called Tundra payload sticker reality....Tacomas have almost that much on 4x4 OR models...lol

 

I wasn’t sure this was discussed but is the rear ventilated seats available with the hydrid. I wasn’t sure if the underseat battery somehow took that away. Hoping it’s available on TRD pro ..

 

Sweers mentioned something along these lines in the TFL interview…. he claims they go with a rating that doesn’t compromise the driving characteristics of the truck while the competitors do. So I guess the idea is that at such and such a max payload on a Tundra, you can’t tell your loaded up but on the max payload of say an F150, you’ll know. Could the tundra get 1500# of bricks home from Lowes in one trip? Sure. Don’t cross country with it.

 

that's not on the TRD Pro no matter what you get, TRD Pro is based on the limited trim not the platinum which has more stuff, one of them being heated and vented rear seats.

*edit*. check that, maybe Im wrong from the video above. the Pro I saw did not have those vented and heated seats in the rear

 

The f150 is the fastest truck towing max load up the Ike since they v6tt, all other truck slow down to 50-60 mph on TFL…

 

I used to worry about this. But I have accepted that I'm overweight when we take trips. I've stopped caring about it. Every single overlander is overweight. One of them admitted that their truck empty is 9k lbs as it sits on stock axles. The truck just keeps going.

I don't need an HD truck. And I'm far more confident in overloading my Tundra a bit when needed. It does not care at all. Didn't Sweers all but say we're good to be over in the TFL interview? He said that they build a lot of margin into their numbers so there is absolute confidence.

Every manufacturer gives their max ratings based on the most stripped down truck possible. That in itself is not dirty or misleading. When you see "max available payload" it's on YOU to logically deduce that this may not apply to your giant crewcab short bed with 4wd, a sunroof, steps, bed liner, generator, hybrid battery, or whatever other feature that adds mass to the truck and reduces your payload rating.

Ford and GM got caught removing items you're not supposed to remove (bumper, spare tire, etc) and swapping lighter weight alloy wheels from higher trim levels onto those bare bones work trucks (which weigh a lot less than the steel wheels those trucks come with) in order to lower their curb weight and falsify their payload numbers. Ford even has a class action lawsuit against them (one of too many) for misrepresenting payload.

 

It would be nice if instead of chasing this mythical super tow ability they focus on the much more needed and useful payload. However, it is called a "half ton" pickup after all.

It's all strange ... on one side you have the mattress tag police who worry about every little liability and rule and on the other you have this marketing monster that wants the truck to be able to climb 80 degree incline boulder path with another truck in the bed.

 

This is 100% true. Put in a 1000 lbs in a Ford and the super soft suspension gives you very poor rebounding effect and they feel quite bouncy. The Tundra is far more confidence inspiring when towing and hauling, hopefully they've kept that with the new rear coils.

 

"half ton" has zero meaning these days. It's an old classification that wasn't updated for ease of marketing. It is completely irrelevant to a truck's capabilities. It would be just as informative if they called them Class1, 2, and 3 or Class A, B, and C. That's how little "1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton" actually mean regarding what a truck can do.

It's marketing that is the issue. They try to make as extraordinary a claim as possible while still being in a technically legal place. They do not care about the reality of it so long as it is legal. For example, back when 3G was the new tech in the cellular world there were companies that did not have 3G in their networks, but they advertised having the latest 3G phones (iPhone 3G) and would extoll the abilities and speeds of 3G devices. They never mentioned that their company couldn't offer anything near what the phone was capable of at the time.

Marketing is finding the shadiest way to advertise while staying legal.

 

I believe it. The forced air helps immensely at elevation. Gonna be subjective how “manageable” it will feel to drive vs the other trucks. Will be interesting to see where the new Tundra falls on that test

 

I have had lsd in the snow for a long time and love it. If your back two tires start slipping and looking for the curb you need to take your foot off the gas some. If that’s not enough you need to be in 4x4. I have never gone in the ditch due to haveing both tires spinning in the rear. But I can see how a bad driver could.
Lockers only in 4 low are worthless to me as I don’t do any crawling off road and I don’t drive down the street in 4 low.

So when that rear diff is not locked in you will only ever get 1 wheel spinning correct? Making 4x4 necessary any time the road is slick anyway. So what practical functions are we getting with trd off road package? the plain SR5 is looking better all the time. Does it come with LSD I wonder?

 

That is largely my point. 99% of people have no use for a Locker yet everyone was saying we needed it so badly. In reality a LSD would be a much better option for most people unless they are hardcore off roaders.

 

Owning it and using it, is two different things. I know don’t need 4WD, but I brought a 4WD cause 4WD have higher resale value and easier to sell…same with the locker…

 

Which I believe the Tundra has an Auto LSD, unless you want the other off road goodies, then you order it with crawl/mts which also include the locker. Lots of options.


Here is a pretty decent article about different diffs and traction

https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2017/06/pickup-trucks-101-what-you-need-to-know-about-traction.html

 

Do you mean current Tundras or the 2022s? Current Tundras have a simulated LSD. It uses the brakes on the slipping wheel to approximate the function of an LSD. It's pretty good, but not a true LSD.

 

Can it have both a locker and the simulated LSD?

 

They never mention lsd, I think it will be the ATac system from old tundra

 

agreed. So anyone know what the non off road package has? Or are the lockers optional?

 

This is what Toyota describes their current LSD system as


"Another feature that comes standard with every 2021 Toyota Tundra is the Automatic Limited-Slip Differential. ... Instead of controlling slip mechanically, Auto LSD applies its brakes to each wheel individually with no traction."

I would imagine that anything other than the TRD OR or PRO package will retain that current system and the TRD OR and Pro package will get the MTS/CRAWL and Lockers. It seems they are setting those packages up just like the Tacoma and thats kinda how it works on the tacoma, anything other than TRD OR and PRO package gets the traditional system

 

Yeah, that’s just an open diff with a locker. My Tacoma has that

 

The lockers will more than likely come with the TRD Off road and TRD Pro packages. The other 4x4's will have a traditional 4x4 system without MTS/Crawl/Lockers. Although reading some of the info on the 2022 it almost looks like that all 4x4's get the MTS/Crawl and lockers, that would be interesting and really put a damper on the reason to option the TRD OR package.

 

Crawl and lockers are only on TRD OR or in the Pro.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/2022-tundra.76839/page-580#post-2442222

 

That makes the most sense and I assumed that was the case as it has been the case in the other toyota lines, but the info on this one has been confusing at best...lol

If they included for all 4x4's it would pretty much negate the OR and Pro package and costs of the packages.

 

Legal requirements this is what they do. Tundra is a class 2a, 6001 lbs to 8500 lbs GVWR, Class 2b is 8501 to 9999 lbs, and class 3 is 10000 lbs up to 14000 lbs IIRC. So new 3/4 tons are technically class 3 trucks unless you buy the de-rated 9999 GVWR ones (they're up to 11500 GVWR now)

 

I never paid attention to the lack of that option on the Platinum. That surprises me because other manufacturers offer their version on the upper trims (KR and Platinum F150). I like the option now because of e-locker and full skids. The shocks are just (or used to be) Bilstein 4600s.