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2022 Tundra

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by 0.S.T., Apr 6, 2020.

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Who has actually used the front tow hooks?

  1. Never

    204 vote(s)
    52.6%
  2. 1-5 times

    111 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. More than 5 times

    45 vote(s)
    11.6%
  4. Almost daily

    7 vote(s)
    1.8%
  5. I'm an off-roader and definitely need it.

    28 vote(s)
    7.2%
  6. I mall crawl

    17 vote(s)
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  1. Jun 8, 2021 at 7:38 PM
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    ZappBrannigan

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    Plentiful amount of used Tundras out there... Yet I’m not paying the prices they are asking. If I did, I would be very close to a new 21 or the 5% increase that the 22 will hopefully only require .
    I don’t see the point in get that close and getting a used Truck. Why not just spend a little more for that new car smell.
     
  3. Jun 8, 2021 at 7:45 PM
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    I wasn't considering it. I was only test driving it to see if I wanted to pursue a 2021 TRD Pro that's coming in. Turns out the 19 is built different lol.
     
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  4. Jun 8, 2021 at 7:45 PM
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    Your username is bad, and you should feel bad.
     
  5. Jun 8, 2021 at 7:55 PM
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    The 19 is different than 21 , how so ?
     
  6. Jun 8, 2021 at 7:59 PM
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    shellshock Guy who drives a lot

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  7. Jun 8, 2021 at 8:07 PM
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    Someone also said that the 2019 was the SR5 base then TRD added. And the 2020+ is Limited base then TRD added. The 2019 I drove today just felt different material wise. The steering wheel was like 2 piece plastic, seemed bigger and had more steering play. I don't know if it was that model but the seats were stiff af. It had no cushion or give. I felt like water sitting on a freshly waxed car just right on the surface. Huge difference in feel from the 2021 limited and platinum I've driven.
     
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  8. Jun 8, 2021 at 8:16 PM
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    Unfortunately I’ve had to buy 3 vehicles for my company this year. So I’ve been doing a lot of research. I wish I toyota would have come to market sooner as there is a good chance 2 of the 3 would have been tundras.

    I replaced my tundra with a ram 3/4 ton diesel because I needed a bigger truck and even the new tundra probably wouldn’t have cut it.

    I replaced one of my managers tundra because it aged out. (It’s a 16 with 220,000 miles on it) he got a ram 3/4 gasser because he always ran the tundra at 7klbs and was going through brakes every 20k miles. I almost bought him another tundra but he wanted a crew cab long bed and needed another 500lbs or so of payload. The new tundra would probably have been perfect for him but he needed a new truck and with no news of of the new tundra I decided not to wait anymore.

    The other vehicle was a 4 banger Colorado for an engineer, he occasionally needs a bed for tools, and prefers a truck to a suv. I looked for a Tacoma for him but they were around 5k more expensive for similar equipment and got worse mileage. I would have put him a new tundra if it got around 20 real life mpg and an extended cab base model was in the low 30s.

    I still have 2 tundras in our fleet that won’t need to be replaced for a couple years. I’m looking forward to replacing those with the new tundra as long as the cost of it is reasonable.

    Toyota is losing a lot of sales dragging their feet. I still a loyal toyota guy even though I’m driving a ram now, but there is a point when you neglect a consumer base so much that you lose that market base. If I don’t have issues with my new ram then in 300k miles or 4 years I’ll probably be buying another one to replace it. Same goes for the 3/4 ton gassers if they hold up good and the new tundra doesn’t impress, I’ll be replacing 2 more tundras with them.

    I know fleets aren’t Toyota’s current focus but fleets are why Ford is the truck market and if Toyota wants to compete they need to appeal to everyone. They need to have the base work trucks and the need a 500+hp luxury sport truck for the owners of the fleet. People are creatures of habit and they stick to the brands they know as long as they offer what they want.

    The point is you don’t see many new tundra owners that came for the truck, they came because the had a bad experience with domestic brands.

    Toyota needs to offer something for everyone, and something new and cool enough to make people change brands if they want to up their market share. Count me in with the doubtful club.
     
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  9. Jun 8, 2021 at 8:28 PM
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    I just don't get it. They can release something. Don't even have to give us specs. Just give a photo of the exterior and interior. The fucking powertrain is dead last of my concern. It's that multi decade interior and exterior that everyone wants to see.

    Whoever strategized the release fumbled it. You got people paying MSRP + for everything and you're holding out?
     
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  10. Jun 8, 2021 at 8:30 PM
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    My cousin has similar needs in a work truck. He had problems with the transmission in his Duramax Colorado and replaced it with a Ridgeline.
     
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  11. Jun 8, 2021 at 8:30 PM
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    Shit, the real Ford Bronco might hit showrooms before the Tundra even shows a spec sheet lol
     
  12. Jun 8, 2021 at 8:36 PM
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    Something like an i3 with REX, Rav4 Prime, Chevy Volt, etc all have programming that will notice infrequent fuel consumption and the engine will run occasionally to keep the fluids moving. Also, they typically have smaller fuel tanks, not just to make room for batteries/electronics, but also to reduce overall fuel storage in case of infrequent ICE use. There's no way Toyota would put a 38g tank on a Tundra Prime. However, for towing range, it'd still need at least a 28g-ish tank, which would still be kind of a concern on a Tundra Prime.

    I wouldn't worry about it too much, my boat sometimes gets put away with 30+ gallons of fuel in the tank, has sat 2 seasons unused, and runs fine. I have a Direct-Injected Mercury outboard, and the sealed fuel system is fairly resistant to fuel quality issues. The fuel tank can get gross, though. If the fuel gets too old, I pump it out and put it in my Nissan Titan. It LOVES old gas!
     
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  13. Jun 8, 2021 at 8:41 PM
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    19crewmaxTRD

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    The Colorado/Canyon is the only small truck that I considered other than a Tacoma/ Tundra all the half tons of other brands have too many known issues. The ranger is too new for me to be comfortable with it especially since it’s a Ford. I didn’t consider the diesel because most of the trips the truck will take are short commutes, and that is hard are new diesel emissions. The 2 gas option have been around awhile and have a pretty good track record so I felt comfortable with getting one instead of a Tacoma, time will tell I guess.
     
  14. Jun 8, 2021 at 9:47 PM
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    Seems to me that statements like this are pretty much objectively wrong. Check out this independent site: Dashboard Light. They inspect used cars and rate them for long-term reliability.

    301k Fords inspected. Ford's rating: 28/100
    254k Chevrolets inspected. Chevy's rating: 49/100
    55k GMCs inspected. GMC's rating: 49/100
    134k Dodges inspected. Dodge's rating: 36/100
    281k Toyotas inspected. Toyota's rating: 83/100

    If you look at full size trucks only, you'll see that everyone's full size vehicles tend to fare better than their company averages. If you scroll down on each truck's page to the Yearly Defect Ratio and Yearly Quality Index Rating graphs, you'll see that the data is for up to 2017. The site mentions that they pool data for models when they're 3 years old or older. I expect we'll see 2018 data sooner than later.

    Before you accuse that site of being skewed in favor of Toyota, the guys in charge are Volvo fanboys.
     
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    Facts vs. opinion...I like it!
     
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    Longbed 4x4 is hard to find
     
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    I believe Toyota is taking all this crap in and stacking it up against what THEY feel they need to do.
    The result as usual is the great divide. Someone there will bring a level of calmness and understanding to it all and fire their PR department.
     
  19. Jun 9, 2021 at 5:57 AM
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    Just go sit in a 2021 Tundra. Than any other brand. Toyota better wake up with this new 2022 model. For even more depression, go sit in a new Sequoia. You can still hear Killing Me Softly by The Fugees that suv is so out of date.
     
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    I did. That is why I bought a '21 Tundra.
     
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    Call it, Friendo.
    I really like the current version. I'm also excited about the 4th gen, whatever that may be. I will have one. I'll have a 5th, 6th, etc gen as well. I enjoy not being in repair facilities. :broccoli:
     
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    If those are facts. It's not too hard to believe Toyota is more reliable but Ford below Chevy ... and DODGE? Nah, some manipulation/bias going on there big time.
     
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    I have; I sat in a 2020 F150, 2020 GMC, and then a Tundra. A bit more spartan, to be sure, but honestly, they all felt (to me) like they were trying too hard to 'overplush' their interiors. I *wanted* mine to be a bit more spartan.
     
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    I believe Toyotas are more reliable. I also believe other car brands are unfairly painted as rattle trap Yugos. Toyotas are imperfect as evidenced by numerous posts on this website. Other brands are generally more imperfect.

    As for Dashboard Light, they have serious sample size issues for at least some models. For instance, without running the calculation, I would suspect their sample of 63,764 F series trucks from 1992-2019 is too small to represent the millions upon millions of trucks Ford produced during that time. Maybe I’m wrong.

    Granted, we could pick apart the methods of any of these quality score sites. Just pointing out a potentially serious statistical flaw in this one.

    Even if one were to trust Dashboard Light’s sample size sufficiency, 2015-2019 model year Ford F-series scored a 92.2 (exceptional) and the 2007-2015 Tundra scored a 97 (exceptional). A difference, certainly, and other websites will show other results.

    However, to the extent Dashboard Light has employed proper methods, this relatively small discrepancy supports my proposition that there isn’t as much of a difference between Toyota and other brands as this board would lead us to believe.

    *Disclaimer: I only looked at Tundra v. F-series. Other comparisons will be different.
     
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    I will say being some that has been shopping for 3 months that I have sat and driven everything. And although the Tundra's interior is dated, it's pretty solid. The brand new F150 Lariat I drove yesterday, the door panel rattled, the fuel door was misaligned and it had a large dent on the corner of the rear cab by the window, right on the corner where it goes from the back to the side.
     
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    You're looking at two completely different data sets, though. Dashboard Light measures 'catastrophic' failure, i.e. engine failure, transmission failure, etc. I wouldn't consider 2015-2019 model-year as being anywhere near old enough to be able to judge how long engines and transmissions will last. A 2007 Tundra however? Yeah, that's old enough to have enough use that you'll get a good idea how reliable it will be.
     
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    Fair enough. I might also argue the Tundra has an unfair quality advantage in that comparison given the number of years they have produced essentially the same vehicle.

    There are lots of hairs to split and nits to pick.
     
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    If that were the only factor, the previous gen Dodge should have better reliability, shouldn't it?
     
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