WTF my 19’ CM payload 1385payload?

WARNING! GRAPHIC VIDEO!: This is an extreme case, but watch for Kiichiro now...Just when the truck comes to a full stop...Dang it, the camera cut away just as he was rising out of the dust!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK6bi9q07ZA

 

So question is ,,,, is there really any safe way of increasing ones payload capacity ?

 

Only one "safe" answer to that one...buy a bigger truck!

 

you are correct , however what about larger leaf springs , E rated tires , or does it come down to the strength of the frame itself ?

 

Feasibly? No. You're payload is determined by your axles and frame, so unless you are going to go through all the engineering and work of redesigning all the drive components for bigger axles and frame you will just have to operate within the limits of the truck.

 

Ok that makes sense ... Heres my question , My tricks payload is 1265 , I know im knocking on the door of being over payload when towing my trailer that has 700lbs tongue weight . I have already added E rated tires which have helped stability significantly , is there anything else that I can add that will help ?

 

The best way to see what weight you are dealing with is to weigh your truck loaded up the way it will be when hooked to the trailer, and subtract that from the GVWR. It is almost always heavier than what your door stickers are going to tell you. Also, is the 700 lb tongue weight a measured weight or is that the weight on the sticker for the trailer? The sticker weight is dry, so it doesn't include propane tanks, batteries, fuel, water, or any dealer add ons.

 

I got the guess of 700 lbs tongue weight from my trailers 7000lb gvw rating , The trailer is 5400 lbs dry .

Yes i would love to have my unit weighed . there isnt any scales close to where i live unfortunately .

 

To be fair, anyone that modifies their truck is a selfish idiot because you're tampering with how the vehicle was designed and thus putting other people at risk. This includes going up a tire size. Changing the stock wheels. Or even modifying the headlight bulbs. And so forth.

The key here in general is being a competent driver and knowing your truck well is what matters. Being able to diagnose and fix it is a huge plus.

 

Any upgrades on the truck? Skids, sliders, etc? If you have a pic of your door sticker that would give a good spot to start from.

 

That's not true, because a LOT of the design is for fuel economy and has nothing to do with safety. Tire size (within reason) is a prime example.

 

That being said; I'm a very very selfish idiot..

 

One can argue that going up in tire size impacts several characteristics like handling, performance, sensor geometry, wheel speed sensor, and on.. so again.. however micro.. you're tampering with the original design and putting other people's lives at risk because Toyota didn't test it with the modified configuration.

My issue mainly is people that modify their truck then get mad when something breaks or doesn't perform as good anymore.

Anyway, we went on a huge tangent. I just wanted to point out the original double-edged sword.

 

First, use a tongue scale to weigh the tongue, so you're not guessing where you are.

Load gear in the back of the trailer. Anything that you were planning to load on the truck, put in the back of the trailer...double benefit. Tongue weight will be reduced in proportion to gear weight X distance from axle center, divided by the distance from axle center to hitch ball. It's the reverse of loading propane and batteries on the tongue.

In other words, for every 100 pounds you load into the rear of the trailer, the tongue weight will be reduced by about 100 pounds (simplistic assumption that the distance of the gear c.g. from the axles is the same as the distance from axles to hitch ball). There are limitations on how much benefit you can derive from this trick because you only have so much gear, and at some point the trailer is going to reach its GVWR. Tongue weight must be maintained at about 10% of the gross trailer weight.

 

Impacting/affecting something doesn't mean you are being dangerous or putting people's lives at risk anymore than you do by simply driving down the road. I understand your point, and 99% agree, the 1% I disagree with is the phrasing/word choice.

 

If you load your stuff in the back of the trailer you can indeed reduce tongue weight, but weight distribution in the trailer is important for control and stability. If you just ass load your trailer you will be dangerous on the road. In short, if you ass load to save payload you are an idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mW_gzdh6to

 

Was going to post this if you didn't. Thank you.

 

Only modifications are , running boards , and a roll up tonneau cover . My door sticker says 1265lbs

 

You're right. I could be an idiot. But that video is showing an exaggerated condition with the tongue light. Maintaining 10% tongue weight would be smart.

 

No floor mats, stuff in the console, bed liner? If not then no dealer add ons makes it easier. So, 1265 minus the boards and tonneau, say 150 pounds to be safe? That would have you at 1115 for payload. Fuel and passengers will come out of that, plus your hitch weight. WDH are usually something like 50-75 pounds, so i am going to guess that your usable payload real world is around 900 pounds best case. Without a scale it's impossible to be exact.

10% minimum. Not uncommon to be up to 15% tongue weight. All depends on the trailer.

 

Toyota is pretty specific about recommending tongue weight in the Owner Manual...9-11 percent.

 

I see. I didn't look there for towing. I was going off general knowledge and experience. If Toyota recommends keeping to those numbers it might not be a bad idea, though it might also be an overly cautious number to keep bigger trailers off the truck. Not necessarily a bad thing.

 

Everybody can be an idiot. It's a universal skill. Don't go thinkin' you're special or anything.

 

If you have to push your trailer tongue down onto the ball to latch the hitch, you're definitely an idiot.

 

LIES!!

Remove the grill from your truck and photograph your falsehoods for all to see!

 

LMAO. Spraynard, you make my day every time you post.

 

Just add some fun:

Which one is the 2018 Crewmax and which is the 2016 Honda Pilot Touring (loaded up with every available option and dual sunroofs)?

 

Seating capacity gives it away... and you're an asshole.

 

Dare you to look up the payload of a Dodge Caravan.