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Icon 58650’s

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by LT75, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. Mar 9, 2019 at 7:30 PM
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    charliebison

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    So it seems I am now in the same boat you were. New Icon 2.5” coilovers installed today by the shop and they will not go higher than 2” of lift—no matter what. I have a double cab with stock bumper. I’ve reached out to Icon. I’m sure they will make it right.
     
  2. Mar 9, 2019 at 7:36 PM
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    I swear a batch of those had the wrong springs installed. No way those were the tested tundra springs. They tried to tell me the springs are tested on the heaviest version of our truck and got 3.5” at the thread mark. The 700lb spring helped. With those springs though, lift was at 4.25” in front at the 2” thread mark.
     
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  3. Mar 9, 2019 at 7:38 PM
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    They had to have been bad. These aren’t going any higher. I assume they will send me the 700s. Still frustrating...
     
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  4. Mar 10, 2019 at 3:01 AM
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    Keep us updated, I'm really looking into these
     
  5. Mar 13, 2019 at 4:05 PM
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    charliebison

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    It’s going interestingly, and I will not say much until it is or is not resolved. Bottom line, though, they want me to increase the preload past the 2” thread point and make up for it with a bumpstop existension.
     
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  6. Mar 13, 2019 at 4:24 PM
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    @Icon_Adrian Adrian why would they not swap out the springs? Something is not right with some of these coilovers. Is going past icons warranty mark and possibly binding the springs be the answer?
     
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  7. Mar 13, 2019 at 5:58 PM
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    Both the technician that installed them and another local 4x4 shop that installs coilovers don’t agree with Icon because their proposed fix does not address the problem: spring rate.
     
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  8. Mar 15, 2019 at 6:52 AM
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    @LT75 I'm so glad to find this post, I was just about to order the 58650's and need to get 3" of lift out of them with a heavy bumper/winch. Just curious, are you running 4.25" of lift, or did you back it down to 3" range? Just want to make sure if i get 4" of lift with the 700lb springs that there are enough threads to bring it back down to 3". So couple questions.. what height are you riding at now, and how much droop do you get measured from fender to center hub at full extension at that height?
     
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  9. Mar 15, 2019 at 8:26 AM
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    What’s Icon’s take on this? I’m about to order these 58650s fully expecting 3” upfront...I’d rather address the surprise now as opposed to later. Bad batch of springs?
     
  10. Mar 15, 2019 at 8:36 AM
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    It’s not good so far, but they are doing one more engineering review to see if they will be sending me springs. It has passed the point of ridiculous.
     
  11. Mar 15, 2019 at 8:58 AM
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    Has to be a mistake in springs. I only got 1.75” at the max thread mark with the ones that came with them. I have no extra weight in my front end.
     
  12. Mar 15, 2019 at 9:09 AM
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    You not evening being close makes me feel better. (Obviously sorry for your loss)

    You never hear the good outcome stories on the net, so it does sound like this is a small sample size.
     
  13. Mar 15, 2019 at 9:13 AM
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    The 700lb springs worked perfectly. They were going to send another set of 600lb springs but I didn’t want to deal with this again. Just in case the springs were labeled wrong at the factory.
     
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  14. Mar 20, 2019 at 7:11 PM
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    So apparently I’ve found this post a week too late. Hopefully they’ve corrected this cause I’ve already paid for my 285/75/18’sF0225C03-FA30-4941-BF5D-7269D12578CD.jpg
     
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  15. Mar 21, 2019 at 11:37 AM
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    Update...Icon has acknowledged a warranty issue, has sent the Eibach springs but is refusing to pay for a local shop to do the swap.
     
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  16. Mar 21, 2019 at 11:44 AM
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    So are they sending out the 600 or 700 pound springs? Looks like I bought mine around the same time as you.
     
  17. Mar 21, 2019 at 11:44 AM
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    I requested the 700lb because I did not want to chance going through this all over again.
     
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  18. Mar 21, 2019 at 12:12 PM
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    With 700lb springs, you cannot go to the same exposed thread measurement as the 600's. Max exposed threads with 700lb coils is 1". If you are over 1", this will put it into coil bind if you are using the full stroke of the shock.
     
  19. Mar 21, 2019 at 12:41 PM
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    https://www.tundras.com/threads/the-un-limited-build.25949/
    I thought the 2.5s came with 13' 650lb springs?
     
  20. Mar 21, 2019 at 12:48 PM
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    For a Tacoma application, yes. For a Tundra, they are 16" 600's.
     
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  21. Mar 21, 2019 at 12:54 PM
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    ok so I did read that wrong. wow.. so, I just went and measured and im at 2.25 on the driver and 2 on the passenger on my threads. with the aftermarket bumper should I start dabbling into looking at 700lb springs? I am planning on adding a winch just to make that known.
     
  22. Mar 21, 2019 at 1:18 PM
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    Kudos to Icon. Now a different rep reached out to me and they have offered a number of options.
     
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  23. Mar 21, 2019 at 1:32 PM
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    Icon's customer service is pretty damn good.
     
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  24. Mar 21, 2019 at 1:38 PM
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    Would definitely recommend the 700's with the winch.
     
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  25. Mar 21, 2019 at 2:43 PM
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    Good to hear as I am having a stage 8 installed next week. Might have the shop just swap out to 700's before they install.
     
  26. Mar 21, 2019 at 2:57 PM
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    I had them back it down to 3.5”. Haven’t measured the thread depth. Probably around 1.5”
     
  27. Mar 25, 2019 at 6:07 AM
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    SDHQ... Any experience with what amount of lift I could expect with a 700lb spring and the 1" of exposed threads you mentioned on a doublecab with expedition one front bumper/winch combo? I'm really looking to get about 3"inch up front, but still have a reasonable amount of droop. The reason I'm moving away from the OME setup is that it gave me 3.75-4" of lift, and left me with about 1" of droop which sucks. I could get their shorter springs which would help a little, but figured if I'm going to change out springs, it was time to upgrade.
     
  28. Mar 25, 2019 at 6:13 AM
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    Mid travel fox 2.5 coilovers 2.0 real shocks shims 295 70 18 trail grapplers pro accessories 32in light bar blacked out bed cover sway bar Moto metal 970 18x9
    Shoulda gone fox......
     
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  29. Mar 25, 2019 at 9:02 AM
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    Which fox you recommend? I'm in same boat, winch/bumper ride sucks
     
  30. Mar 25, 2019 at 3:33 PM
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    It will be dependent upon how much weight you have. Every truck will be different. The travel of the shock will be the same no mater how much preload you put into it. Droop will also be dependant on how much weight because the coil will settle further (compressing the shock more) under more weight
     

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