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Ugh...I should have just bought the Tundra.

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by Lindenwood, Feb 2, 2019.

  1. Feb 3, 2019 at 7:30 AM
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    We have '12 4.6 db cab w/tow pkg. We have towed a 7000 trailer 30k, C to C and to Alaska and back and we have No Regrets! Greatest Truck ever made-TOYOTA TUNDRA!!

    Happy Campers
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  2. Feb 3, 2019 at 7:56 AM
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    had a 89' tacoma that lasted 16 years with NO problems. Age took over so i decided to buy american and yep a f150. 3 years in a new transmition, several years later I was calling AAA sevice once every 3 months. F.... this and perchaced 2016 tundra trd. I was traveling 80 miles a day to work and needed dependability. I am soooooo glad to be back with TOYOTA!!!!!!!!!!
     
  3. Feb 3, 2019 at 8:17 AM
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    I’ll get back with you. Busy bending tube.
     
  4. Feb 3, 2019 at 8:18 AM
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    LOL. That's what she said.
     
  5. Feb 3, 2019 at 8:25 AM
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    what did she say????
     
  6. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:01 AM
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    Knowing I'd be daily-driving it, I bought a gasser specifically to avoid all the known diesel-related issues.
     
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  7. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:22 AM
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    I am one of those guys that over-loads the truck and I don't care. The truck doesn't even blink. It only gets 7-8MPG double-towing. I put air-bags on and E load tires. This truck isn't a typical half-ton. If I were you I wouldn't second guess the numbers. I'd ditch the ford and get a Tundra. Load it up and go. Good luck.
     
  8. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:42 AM
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    Not kidding Im thinking about it..........
     
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  9. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:55 AM
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    This is the only vehicle I’ve owned, since brand new for 5 years and is paid off. I can’t recall one issue with her. I know it’ll get my family or I anywhere I need her to without stranding me on the side due to a computer issue
     
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  10. Feb 3, 2019 at 9:59 AM
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    They do, but I think you need a CDL

    http://www.hino.com/phone/trucks.html

    I get the frustration but towing something that big full time I can't fathom doing it with a half ton.
     
  11. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:02 AM
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    I’m curious about the ball joints. What was the cause of the early failure. Where you lifted and aligned properly? I’m at 25K and my ball joints, upper and lower, look brand new still.
     
  12. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:03 AM
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    What is with all of the Tundra is not good with towing nonsense? Damn thing towed the space shuttle...what else do you need?
     
  13. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:07 AM
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    From what I’ve seen the main thing is payload capacity. It can tow a lot but the tongue weight is where it kills it.
     
  14. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:11 AM
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    Ah, thanks for the information.
     
  15. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:17 AM
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    This is what a few of my friends recently did and swapped trailers to match load ratings. An additional ~$10k upfront cost, emissions equipment longevity concerns, maintenance, and where I live an additional .80 gallon is what did it for them.
     
  16. Feb 3, 2019 at 10:31 AM
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    Upper ball joints had issues prior to my lift being installed. I didn't replace them because I was upgrading the suspension anyway and installed new UCAs. Right before I put the lift on, I noticed the truck was popping when turning at slow speeds. When I tore everything apart for the lift, that is when I noticed the both upper ball joints had excessive play and the front shock was leaking. I don't know if the alignment was good before the lift - but I had no signs of abnormal wear on the tires.

    The lower ball joints may be because of my lift - but if that is the case, then I still am not impressed with the quality. I only had about 30,000-35,000 lifted miles on them, and my alignment numbers were pretty decent (I did have to adjust once because of outside tire wear). I finally changed them when I noticed a different popping noise under slow steering. Replaced them and the noise went away.
     
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  17. Feb 3, 2019 at 11:05 AM
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    So understanding how each brand truck collects, cleans the DPF filter is key.

    Once the DPF filter has collected enough soot, the ECM tells the truck it needs a cleaning. Exhaust temps are raised (very hot) and burns all the soot, and then released out of the exhaust system. Sometimes you will see a gray cloud coming from a newer diesel.

    Each manufacturer has a process to raise the exhaust temp up to cleaning requirements. Some manufacturers add an injection cycle to burn extra fuel, and get those temps up. This system sucks, can burn valves, and cause fuel delusion (so in other words, diesel fuel going into the crankcase). Others inject diesel fuel into the exhaust directly to get the higher temps (GM). This avoids all the engine issues with overfueling the motor.

    Diesel exhaust cleanings take about 20-30 minutes at 30 mph or higher constantly (on GMs) and fords I guess can clean sitting in your driveway now. No idea on Rams.

    Why daily driving modern diesels (short trips) is hard on them:
    -thermal cycling. Hard on head gaskets, injectors, turbos, etc.

    -Now in town driving, one uses more fuel. This causes more exhaust cleanings, and if the allotted amount of time to properly clean the DPF filter is not reached, the process starts all over again. This in turn gives you really shity fuel economy, always in regeneration, and causing these issues.

    Another area that can cause problems is Urea (DEF fluid) has a shelf life. I never fill my tank all the way up unless a long trip is planned. This issue can cause “bad quality” issues and put you into limp mode. Nobody likes limp mode. DEF also freezes at around 11*F. A full tank will freeze and expand.

    I hope this answers some of your questions. We didn’t even get into the SCRs.
     
  18. Feb 3, 2019 at 11:06 AM
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    Smart man. Sucks this happened. You just been Ford’d.
     
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  19. Feb 3, 2019 at 5:09 PM
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    That would suck.

    Watching the game at work?
     
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  20. Feb 3, 2019 at 5:55 PM
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    You treat your guys good.

    Say hi to your wife for me.
     
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  21. Feb 3, 2019 at 6:21 PM
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    I'm here with you man. I bought a 2018 f150 5.0... got caught up in the Ford hype. Light weight 5.0 powahhhHH!!! The truck is like a bad dream. I have the engine rattle, transmission clunk, warped dash, transmission whine, and some weird turkey call sound coming out of the rear end under hard acceleration. I'm just going to try to get some more service out of this truck before I dump it for a Tundra. I knew I should have just went with the Toyota but my impulsive side just went with the dumb Ford. I wish I could go back in time and kick myself in the rear.
     
  22. Feb 3, 2019 at 7:55 PM
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    Im gonna see what Ford says about these things. I dont love the idea of eating another $5k, but I am seriously considering trading for a Tundra. It would take some pretty significant equipment and supply tweaks to get my planned 2500lb payload (including tongue weight) down to the 1550lb max for a Tundrw 4x4 CrewMax. But I might be willing to see what I can do just to get back into a reliable rig.
     
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  23. Feb 3, 2019 at 8:20 PM
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    It’s sad that they all aren’t reliable the way they should be. You would think they could all get it right after that being in business for this many years. But the fact that everything has to be updated to the latest and greatest to keep up with everyone else becomes the reliability issue. Toyota is slow but I think that’s why they’re reliable. I think they do a lot of testing before they put anything new out. And then they stick with it.

    I was all about American made and branded vehicles. I want them to succeed. Obviously they keep selling them but the quality just isn’t there in my eyes.

    I think Toyota could make something great in HD, but getting people to buy it would be a loss for Toyota. Too many people are closed minded when it comes to their trucks. I think the limiting factor with the current tundra and increasing payload is the axles just won’t handle it long term. If they would beef up the frame springs and axles they could make an HD without too much change.
     
  24. Feb 4, 2019 at 8:47 AM
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    Yeah I'm just going to use my F150 for a little while longer. If I trade in right now it will be a pretty good hit. Bought it last July. And initially noticed the clunky drive line. And when I start it up there is a loud clunk sometimes. When the transmission is cold it sometimes hangs in a low gear then revs up and upshifts very hard. I think the TSB may have helped that. It still shifts weird when cold. Then I noticed the dash all bowed up and warping. And at about 5500 miles the off throttle rattle started up. And shortly after that I notice some strange chirpy noise under heavy acceleration. I looked at some Tundras yesterday. I think the SR5 with the 5.7 will suit me well great price for what you get. I need that 38 gallon fuel tank. If Toyota does a redesign for 2020. I might make a move on a '19 then. I'm not sure I want a first year redesign.
     
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    My wife and I have seriously been considering trading for a Tundra over the last couple days. Even been talking to a couple dealers, heh. But, I think I'm going to hold what Ive got for now. As great as the Tundra is, there is a lot to be said for the safety of a truck that shares almost all of its its suspension, chassis, brakes, and powertrain with rigs designed to tow and haul up to 10k lbs more.

    Thanks for the rant support, and thanks @ColoradoTJ for the candid advice!
     
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  26. Feb 11, 2019 at 7:47 AM
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    Ford is replacing the whole PCM (combo Engine / Transmission Control Module) under warranty. At least I know it should go another 6 weeks before forcing me to pull off the road again.

    That said, they reported normal operation for the engine tick and transmission whine. So, either the 4Lo planetary gears are straight-cut, or the TCase will grenade in a few years and I'll get a new one I guess.

    Thanks, Detroit.

    I sold a 17yo Toyota for a brand new Ford, and both have forced me to pull off the road exactly once :p .
     
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    I've towed 9K long distance in the mountainous West (with a weight distributing hitch of course), and while the truck has great power and brakes, you always have the feeling that there's a considerable weight back there pushing you around, especially going down some long steep grade, engine braking in 2nd and it's still not quite enough (to avoid the use of friction brakes).

    If I had to do it all the time, I'd be tempted to look at a Cummins/Aisin 3500 SRW, but man, I am worried about ending up with an FCA nightmare. My 2012/100K Tundra in contrast has had a grand total of 0 repairs, and it has not had an easy life. (Although it has had great maintenance).

    I'm actually thinking about a smaller bumper-pull toy hauler, and the question again arises.. keep the old Tundra, or get a new TRD and bag it and just deal with the light weight tow vehicle, or maybe go Power Wagon or somesuch.. but I fear the Fiat.
     
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    Trying to keep up with all the stupid little new features to keep people to buy new trucks kills the the R and D. ! Toyota is like Rolex they keep whats good and only change things to make it better !
     
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    Anyone have feedback about putting bags on rear suspension and if that improved handling other than the obvious squat issues?
     
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    I had narrowed down to a F250 or a Tundra. I slobbered all over that lariat f250, but ultimately decided that I was still a Toyota guy and went with the Tundra. I’m still jelly when I see those Super Duty’s. I love the looks of them, but I know I can depend on this truck and the resale value. I have a neighbor with a 17 Super Duty and a couple co-workers with 16-19’s, they all love them and report no issues other than issues related to the lift kits or larger tires they have installed.
     
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