2022 Owners: Do you miss the v8?

No no no. No adding aftermarket options to increase sound. I can only imagine what that makes you!!! To the 3.5 raptor I go!

 

Lol, nothing beats v8 throat

here is to all the v6 sowing machines with extra torque, ha!

My ram sport 350 hemi with a borla ProXs muffler,

https://youtu.be/aX4GKzbWBp8



I’ll be damned if I’m not looking at a 2022 platinum though

 

Now that the tuner crowd is intetested in the Tundra, just wait... it won't be long before we start seeing new Tundras everywhere slammed to the ground with gaudy body kits and gigantic wings slathered all over them. Of course, there will be fart cans on the exhaust obnoxiously screeching out that god-awful high pitched BLAAAAATTTT!!! BLAAAAATTTT!!! everywhere they go.

Then you can sit back and say "Wait, who's the douchebag?"

 

I feel pretty certain that they could have easily gotten some more power out of the 5.7 (look at what longtubes add to their torque) and then coupled it with the new 10 speed and it would have yielded better results all around than the new motor with substantially less investment. But everyone is playing the image game and a V6 “sounds” more efficient.

 

Powertrain development prioritizes emissions over all other considerations. HP, TQ, and MPG improvements are simply a byproduct.

 

5.7 was great!

No, I don't miss it, however, I need this V6 TT to withstand the test of time. Had my 2011 for 11.5 years and she ran as good as day 1 when I parted ways with her.

 

Yep, and honestly, this is 99.9% of the reason that guys like me aren't in a hurry to switch; I assume it'll be reliable, but we all know what they say about assumptions.

(The other 0.1% is the fact that mine's paid off and does more than what I need it to, so there's no need for me to buy a new one just yet, even if I can afford it.)

 

Definitely do not miss the v8 from my 18 and 19 now in a 22, 3.5 is a big setup up in mpg, low end power, towing power and acceleration. Only thing I find annoying is the piped in fake engine sound, painful.

 

i don't miss my supercharged 5.7 because i will never sell it so kinda cheating. kids grew up in it and we've been through a lot together over 14yrs so some sentimental value, not to mention they will never make a supercharged v8 that is trd oem again. i am likely to move to a hybrid in 1-2 years while i determine if i want to stay luxury or go with a pro. have a 22 platinum with 4k miles so far.

 

If you buy a new truck every 5 or six years, go ahead and get the V6 turbo.

If you buy a truck and want to make it last 10 years and 200k+ miles... get the V8.

I don't trust a turbo and the high compression past 5 or six years. Especially under the torque loads of a full size truck. I'm 45 and am on the third truck/vehicle I've ever owned. I've had great luck I guess, but then I've always stayed away from a motor that can't keep time 87 octane. If it requires 89 octane and up to run, there's too much compression and it won't last... I guess I'm a I gotta see it to believe it when it comes to these giant trucks working on 6 cylinders and a leaf blower spinning up at the intake. V8's exist for a reason on trucks more than just the "I like the sound" of it.

So unless it's a lease or you change cars like you do a smart phone every few years, look for a well maintained used V8. If you already have a V8 under 150k miles and it's running fine, keep it for another 150 or until these high compression V6s show they can last...

That's what I'm doing anyway.

 

not really always the case, Toyota has built some pretty nice long lasting turbo engines in the past

 

I just installed 2 K&N Air Filters, and a Stage 3, they say 50 to 60 more H/P and increased Torque, also a bump in MPG. So far I like the change!!
You should check out Thorton Chip Tuning, They work !!

 

Because

 

This thread would’ve been 2 years dead next month.

Let the dead rest.

 

K&N filters are a good way to kill your motor early. They don’t block enough small material: https://youtu.be/sJ3L-E-ufYo?si=3zMihz9jHO8ZQr-5

One came in my Magnuson SC kit and went straight into the garbage.

 

Tundra turbo motor bearing issue was only in Tundra because 1 guy in 1 factory screwing up?

Nope....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XdaccfMxn4

 

Here is the problem with your arguement. There are literally millions of F150 Ecoboosts on the roads that are older than 5-6 years and have been put under the torque loads of full-sized trucks and are just fine. I had mine for 9 years and put over 22000 miles on it towing in some of the harshest environments in the US(UT, ID, WY, MT, NV, etc). My living room is at 6500 and I can drive up to 11000' in 30 minutes.

And when I drive around here in the rockies and look at what other people are towing with, its not gasoline V8's. Its Ecoboosts or HD diesels. You know why, because they are so much better at it with the immense amount of low end torque. I rarely see a 5.7L Tundra towing anything.

And thats in a Ford

If the Toyota engines are crapping the bed at low miles on a regular basis its due to either a poor design or poor manufacturing. Not because of the type of motor.

Its so funny that everyone thinks this is a new thing and that there hasnt been 3.5L TT V6's(and, gasp, two 2.7L's) in half ton trucks for 15 years now without common bottom end failures. Toyota did not do anything revolutionary with the 3rd gen Tundra or the 3.4L TT. Its the same thing Ford has been doing since 2011 and GM since 2019.

Also, how would the bottom end of these engines be any more stressed out than a 3.0L 6 cylinder diesel that makes 480 ft-lbs? Torque is made with cylinder pressure whether its gasoline or diesel fuel.

Im sure if it was a diesel everyone would be praising the Toyota executives for the "ingenuity" as if Ram, Ford, Nissan and GM didnt all have 3.0L diesels in their trucks for years.

The great thing about the video you posted is that it essential says comments like yours have no merit.

 

That's not bad, but you're leaving out that your F150 Ecoboost also needed a new engine at around 115k miles. Is @HeardItHere wrong when he says if you want 10 years/200k miles get a v8? I don't think you exactly proved him wrong. You got 9 years but less than 120k miles.

I take my v8 Tundra to those same elevations, too, at least once a year. My living room is several states away at 500ft elevation. I put 20k/year on my truck in Middle Tennessee, and this old v8 takes me out West and back every single time. I haven't pulled a camper out there yet, but I'm camper shopping right now.

Twin turbo v6s pull harder and can be more efficient. What the 5.7L does better is longevity. My truck will last longer, and I can still pull 6-7k lbs, even at elevation.

 

My truck was also tuned well beyond a reasonable level from 9000 miles while towing, while pulling 7% grades in 95*F+ heat at high elevations its entire life. My truck was making 550 ft-lbs to its stock 420.

There was also a question as to whether the fuel pump failed and caused the motor to go lean because, once the new motor went in, the truck wouldn't run until they replaced it.

Hence why I never took it personally or blamed Ford like a whiny baby. I ponied up the cash and replaced the motor and continued driving and towing with it confidently for 2 more years, just with the stock tune because I learned my lesson.

So my anecdotal data point that you want me to use isn't a great one, is it?

I think if anything that speaks to how durable and overbuilt the motor was. And BTW, the factory turbos were put on the new motor because, even after all of that abuse, they were still in great condition. Just a nice tid bit for all the turbos are the devil, sky is falling people.

How many 5.7L's can you point to making >550 ft-lbs of torque with an aftermarket tune that towed 22000 miles in the rockies?

 

Of course the fact you blew it up is relevant.

And I think all the things you did can be done with a stock 5.7 Tundra that simply lasts longer.

I’m not saying turbo doesn’t tow 6-7k at elevation better; I’m saying N/A v8 does it longer.

There are lots of high mileage SC’d 5.7s on this forum putting out similar numbers you did with your tune. I know @snivilous has 300k on his SC’d Tundra. A lot of those miles are towing up and down the mountains.

 

But you dont know that. You're speculating. Just yesterday I saw a post of a 5.7L piston from the TRD Supercharged truck on the stock pulley that was in pieces, posted by one of the vendors on iH8mud. That would have been right around the same torque as my EB but I'd bet money it didn't go through what my truck did. So whats your point?

And if any of those Supercharged trucks had a fuel pump fail, they'd be in deep doo doo too. Go look in the performance section and look at all the people with supercharged trucks freaking out about their AFR's going lean because their tuners can't get their trucks dialed in correctly

But to my original point, all turbo'd motors don't suck or have major bottom end failures at 20-30k miles like the V35. If that is infact a problem, its a Toyota problem, not a turbo problem.

 

Actually, many SC 5.7s are making 550tq at the wheels not the crank. And if the fuel pump failed, the truck would fail to run like every other truck ever made. I frequent those threads, I think there’s one new dude at the moment who recently joined to ask a specific question that is having lean issues as he likely has a faulty/improperly installed fuel pump. It’s also an FFV truck, which complicates things with boost. A boosted 5.7 will live just fine when properly tuned and fueled. If you’re not monitoring AFR on any modified/tuned boosted vehicle, you’re doing it wrong. Don’t care to argue, just correcting the record. All that to say, a boosted 5.7 is likely not going to have the million mile lifespan of one left NA but it’s still plenty long enough for how long most keep their trucks, or how they become no longer road worthy for other reasons. I’d say the same goes for a turbo v6.

There has to be some merit to big NA V8s being the best suited for rigorous hauling duty IMO if you look at the HD truck offerings. If they are gas, they’re 6.4, 6.6, or 7.3 liters in displacement and NA despite the boosted half ton offerings often making more power.

 

No I’m confident a LOT of people are VERY hard on their 5.7L trucks and aren’t grenading their engines at 110k or whatever. Go to the Tundras and Trailers facebook group. 5th wheels, 10k lb toy haulers, 18k lb goosenecks. Not saying it’s smart…

People overwork and overload Tundras disproportionately because Toyota doesn’t make an HD truck. That is not speculation. Towing 22k miles at elevation with a 6k lb trailer? Yeah, your average 5.7 Tundra is going to do that just fine.

Bingo.

 

I just SC'ed my truck. Not my first rodeo with a SC, either. So if a fuel pump fails, there would be no deep doo doo. Truck shuts off or if a lean condition happens timing is pulled, I am sure it would throw a code or you would feel something. It would take a special kind of stupid to keep pushing it till it blows up. Same can be said if any fuel pump fails on any engine, period. If you run the stock Magnuson 1900 on a stock tune or slightly modified tune to clean it up, there won't be any AFR issues. Remember it was a factory option, so it was tuned by Toyota. Those that are always looking at their AFR's are the one who push it past the 1900 SC, like the Harrop 2650 or Magnuson 2650 or even the Whipple 2.9. They also are doing all other sorts of mods to fuel system and air. Same thing can and will be said when people start to tune their V6TT. I would hope they also get AFR gauges to monitor the AFR since its gong to be tune by someone other than Toyota.

 

I guess no one does research anymore. If they would they would know KN has the worse filtering efficiency ever. Which equals more wear and tear on your engine.