What exactly do you gain with the hybrid?

Since buying my SR5 and not having the hybrid, I wondered what I was missing out on.
We already knew there was zero added fuel economy, but it looks like there’s pretty much no performance gain either. Wth do you get by paying so much more for the added power?

0-60 not enough that you’ll ever feel/notice.
0-100 is a decent gain.
1/4 mile time identical.

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons...j5-XfZo0SznZfCMeWmP1KwFMLthoiuN_rwfel_0sxNU3U

 

Recognition status

 

More HP and more TQ ‍♂️
I get around 21/22 sometimes 23 highway with the hybrid I’m very happy with it

 

Yes obviously it’s more hp and more torque.
My question is wth is happening with it?
People are getting as good of fuel economy as the hybrids with non hybrids and if the link I attached is accurate, there’s virtually zero real world performance difference.


To be 100% clear here: I’m not trying to shit on hybrids. I’m genuinely not understanding what all the added hp and torque is actually getting you.

 

If you tow on the heavy side or carry heavy payloads and you have the hybrid, you'll notice the difference. Over 100 more lbs-ft of torque and the added horsepower with peak torque kicking in at only 2400 rpms. That's very noticeable difference. But if you don't tow or carry heavy payloads, you wouldn't really have a use for that

 

Sure, if you want to put the truck on a track and look at stupid ass numbers and comparisons with zero real-world value done by a website or magazine then yeah, looks like you don't really get much difference. Pull a heavy load with each one and then talk to me.

 

Main reason I got it was due to towing. Plus the cool added hood emblems.

 

So basically unless you’re towing you won’t notice anything?

 

You'll notice the truck running on battery up to 18mph and you'll notice small fuel savings. But yes, it's mostly for towing. Toyota has been very clear about the purpose of this hybrid motor, and it wasn't for fuel economy, it's for those who want more power and torque options for towing over the base motor.

 

Not going to lie, I have been wondering that myself. I got a pro on Tuesday and I thought my mpg was going to be pretty good out the gate. I remember everyone saying it would be in the 20-22 range and I’m getting a solid 14.5 after babying it the whole tank this far. I’m hoping there’s a break in period or something and it gets better in time but 14-15 with no lift and tires has me worried a bit. As far as power goes I’m coming from an 06 tundra and an 18 Tacoma so this thing feels like a drag truck compared to those 2. Haha the only thing I can think would be a plus this far is my wife and I took a road trip today and kept the newborn in the car to feed her and all that good stuff, I left the truck running full blast a/c on LO for a solid 30 mins in the parking lot with it being about 96 degrees outside and the mpg might have dropped .1- .2 the whole time we sat. The battery was ran down a bit of course but it recharged itself back up on the drive back so there’s that. Not sure if that helps any but that just my minuscule take on the iforce max setups.

 

I’ve owned a hybrid for a little over a month now and driven it ~1700 miles. At this point, I’d say I am more than pleased with the hybrid driving performance and feel, but don’t have enough experience with the standard engine to compare the differences. I test drove a non-hybrid TRD Sport in January but can’t recall enough about the driving differences to give an honest comparison between the two powertrains. I will say I find the hybrid to be smooth, effortless, and without lag. I am not a big tower/hauler and haven’t done a ton of either one yet to give that perspective.

 

Are those numbers right? It says the hybrid is half a second quicker in 0-6, 3 seconds slower in 0-100 but yet identical quarter mile times at around 95 top out. Seems like bad data.

 

Yeah, something isn't right with that data. No way the hybrid starts out faster to 60 and then falls off a cliff at 100. Same base engines so if its ahead up front it still should be at 100 even with the added weight.

 

Not a clue, next tank I plan on initiating full send mode at every stop light I come to and hope a regular iforce pulls up. It will be like finding a unicorn in the wild but I’m up for the challenge … ya know for science Haha

 

Not really. Trap speed doesn’t mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of 1/4 mile races and can vary a lot even amongst vehicles that run the same times.

 

Can’t believe there’s no YouTube video yet of this lol.

 

Even with 35s I can still drive from the entrance of my subdivision almost entirely to my house on just battery. City driving, it also helps in stop and go type traffic. And I like that I can sit and idle for extended periods but still have enough battery to run everything. Engine comes back on to charge up occasionally.
It’s not a true hybrid in the sense, of course, just a hybrid-assist. But I cant say it is just flat pointless either. I don’t see “bragging rights” as one of the benefits. At all. Its not like they have “Hybrid” stamped all over.

 

Dude, how? I was getting 18mpg combined from day one.

This week we drove to Alabama with luggage and an ice chest, 3 adults and 2 teens, and in the rain and wind and I got 18mpg. This was while going 70/75/77 most of the way on cruise. I did 440 or so miles before filling up on this trip and range still showed 60something miles. Thats pretty freaking awesome for a 26ga tank.

Since I have put on the 35s and filled up and reset mpg, I have only done city driving other than some extended 55mph areas. But even now it shows 16.8mpg. Not much of a drop. I am anxious to see where it averages combined. You aren’t the only one who has mentioned their mileage being that low, so I am curious to know what the common denominator is or what the possible issue is.

 

There’s definitely added fuel economy but it depends on where you drive. If you’re all highway, there’s really not much benefit. The city rating is 2 mpg better so I could see a big benefit in city stop and go traffic. From my test drive, I could drive at 35 mph with the engine off for about half a mile or so. The AC compressor is electric so I figure that’s more efficient than a belt driven compressor and could add some fuel economy when the AC is used. Ultimately, I think it’s a matter of choice. People prioritize different things and are willing to pay $3k for more torque, slightly better fuel economy, and a slightly better driving experience.

 

I’m just as shocked as you. I haven’t event stomped it to get a good feel for the power yet. It was in sport mode to begin with then I switched it to eco but like I said the entire time the fastest I went was 67 and my rpm’s barely went over 2500. And t had 6 miles on the truck before I got it so maybe in those 6 they found out just what the hybrid was all about testing it…. Idk haha hopefully next tank is more accurate and I can get it to a reasonable number. So far my lifted Tacoma did leaps and bounds better so fingers crossed!

 

The hybrid engages beyond 18mph. It can be assisting at 40,50,60 mph too .

 

This is where I'm interested to see mpg numbers. I've been hoping all along the hybrid torque would offset the mpg drop of larger tires and/or towing.

If the non hybrid gets around 16 on 295/70r18's and the hybrid get upper teens to pushing 20, I'll switch to wanting a hybrid.

 

I’m still getting 19-20 combined on 35’s.
Non hybrid.

 

Yes, I know, I was just pointing out what he asked he would feel, which was electric only up to 18mph. My other comments explain the rest, like max torque at 2400rpms, etc...

 

Toyota said it can cruise on electric up to 18 mph. That’s clearly not true. It can run on electric until the electric motor can make enough power and torque to keep the truck moving forward. That seems to be around 40 or 45 mph.

 

my hybrid is getting awesome fuel economy if you baby it around town

if I keep off the gas running around town I can get 24 mpg, keeping it in electric

defiantly a break in period for sure.

big part of the reason I got a hybrid was to offset weight of wheels, bumpers, topper, decked system, etc.

highway where I live is 80mph so the hybrid is a moot point there- doesn’t kick in unless you are towing or in sport mode at those speeds. On 55 and 65 roads it kicks in a ton! Towing mpg is 1-3 better than my 19.

like all vehicle it’s all in how you drive the truck. If you take it easy and drive meaningfully (coast, brake slowly, don’t over accelerate) you’ll get great gas mileage with the hybrid.

I can sell you after driving non hybrid with stock wheel and my hybrid with 35’s side by side my truck is WAY faster. We didn’t drag race, but it was very noticeable. There is zero turbo lag with the hybrid as well. I did a 4wd tow haul mode with no Nannie’s launch on a dirt road the other day and was going 90 in no time- super fun but super scary

 

These two don't add up, gang. Maybe you don't know how to drive efficiently?

 

I wish there had been a V8 option too. V8 paired with the new 10 speed probably would have been a good setup. Rams get almost the same mpg with a v8 and 10 speed.

I don't think the V6 will be bad though. This seems like a repeat of when ford added their 3.5 V6. All kinds of haters just because it wasn't a V8 and yeah, their were issues at the start, but it's turned out to be a decent engine. My dad was always in the "it's not a truck if it's not a v8" crowd, but then he caved and got an F150 with the 3.5. Absolutely loved the torque for pulling his trailers.

Just a guess, but I think this engine will be similar. Toyota is going to have kinks to work out the first couple years, but after that it's going to be great.

Sorry OP for going off topic.

 

To keep it in electric past 18 you literally have to feather it and accelerate like a turtle. You can do it and get up to like 35 or 40 but it is a crawl. This is why I only do it in my neighborhood. If someone is behind me I can accelerate normally and then completely let off pedal and it will switch back to electric motor only which can then be used the rest of the way home. I dont always focus on doing this… And not for fuel mileage, really. Its more of just a game to play to see how far you can go. lol. And even then, the battery starts to lose power over an extended distance doing this and it will switch back to engine no matter how fast youre going

 

If they kept the V8 they would have probably needed to introduce dynamic fuel management aka cylinder deactivation and the V8’s with it are not having that great of an experience.