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  1. Dec 17, 2017 at 8:53 AM
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    Hi all, I'm new to the forum and have a few questions about lifting the rear. I've had my tundra for about a year now and want to start making a few modifications to it. I'm leaning towards a 3/1 leveling kit, probably Toytec, but am struggling on deciding whether to use blocks or shackles in the rear. The last truck I had was lifted with blocks in the rear and I never had any problems, but after reading a lot of posts, it seems like the majority of people recommend shackles, so I have a few questions:

    1. Should I use blocks or shackles? I'm only looking for 1-1.5" of lift in the rear and do minimal towing and off roading.
    2. Can I still use my stock shocks or do I need longer ones?
    3. If I decide to go with shackles, should I replace the leaf spring bushings? If so, how difficult is it?

    Any other insight would be appreciated. Thanks.
     
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  2. Dec 17, 2017 at 9:00 AM
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    ToyTec adjustable shackles are a great option. Easy to install although swapping out OEM bushings can be a pain if you want a new set of bushings from TTec.
     
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  3. Dec 17, 2017 at 9:02 AM
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    I meant shackles not shocks. My bag.
     
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    CB Shackles and definitely replace bushing's
     
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    Welcome Matt. If your truck is new I, personally, wouldn't replace the bushings. I used Toytec shackles and an Icon leaf pack to lift the rear.
     
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    Agreed^^^^ My Tundra was almost ten years old. Made sense to replace bushings although the nifty bushings sold by ToyTec do help with eliminating binding that can cause bed bounce....
     
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  7. Dec 17, 2017 at 9:24 AM
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    Thanks for the quick replies! So I should go with CB shackles over Toytec shackles? Any major differences? My truck is a 2015 so bushings are only a couple years old. Is it worth the hastle to replace them? What's wrong with the stock ones?
     
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    That's an excellent point that I didn't know. Thanks Matt
     
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    Stock bushings aren't poly and believe the sleeve is knurled on the ends creating some binding, can't go wrong with either shackle.
     
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    Those OEM bushings do suck. One came out fairly easy. The other one was a real beeyatch to knock out but then again those bushings were in there for a long time.
     
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    I just went through that and decided to upgrade the rear with new leaf pack from Deaver + shackles from MCM. I was more interested in a comfortable ride than height but I did gain about 1" in the process. A quick way to lift the rear is a set of shackles however it's better to pair it with better leaf pack that the stock one.
     
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    even better^^^^^^
     
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    Both are good shackles. OEM shackles look totally wimpy placed next to both.
     
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    Shackles are better than blocks. New leafs are better than new shackles. Your stock leafs will eventually get flattened.
     
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    Can I still use the stock shocks after I raise the rear 1-1.5" or will I need longer ones?
     
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    I'd get a decent aftermarket shock designed for that lift. See ToyTec
     
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    as you can tell from the answers, do it once, do it right ;)....the mods bug about to bite you :)
     
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    Oh it's definitely already bitten me! I spent thousands on mods for my last truck and have a feeling I'm going to do the same on this truck.

    And yes I completely agree - spend a little more time and money and do it right the first time
     
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    In the picture, that is a CB shackle on the left and a factory shackle on the right. Either CB or Toytec are good improvements. I have CB.
    1449E0A6-509A-4030-B09C-56D8E0573F2D.jpg
    The stock bushings are locked into the eyes and do not spin freely. This causes some wind up of the rubber in the shackles that can contribute to bed bounce. The beefier shackles flex less side to side improving ride a little bit too.
     
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    Which ever ones you go with, remember to keep the old ones. Take them apart. They make really good light or CB mounts.....................
     
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    You can also get a set of Bilstein 5100 rears off Amazon for like $70 each.
     
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    Wasn't planning on spending any more money but that price is tempting... are the Bilsteins a huge upgrade from stock? Will I be able to tell a difference in both ride quality and performance?
     
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    do you have the black ones or yellow ones right now ?
     
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    I haven't checked but I'm almost positive they're black. I feel like I would have noticed seeing yellow shocks the last time I looked underneath.
     
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    ok so you have the basic ones vs the yellow TRD ones. Yes the bilstein 5100 will be a nice upgrade.
     
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    Yeah I'm not TRD so I don't have the yellow ones. Just ordered Bilstein 5100's for the rear. Looking forward to seeing the difference over stock.
     
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    I bought Toytec shackles for mine, haven’t installed yet. Somewhere down the line will likely upgrade the leaves if needed and just put the shackles at the 1” setting.
     
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    Do shackles help compensate for weight that is added to the bed? For instance a RTT or heavy towing?
     
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    No, the leaf springs do.
     
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