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SAVE THE TUNDRA V8

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by Jsavoie, May 18, 2021.

  1. Jan 6, 2022 at 8:51 AM
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    Jason's videos are great and he does make a fantastic point. However, cars are a heavy burden on anyone's wallet, youtubers are a horrible example of people making the change since they usually have the means to afford all of their crap. Believe you me, I'd love a 70 mpg equivalent small truck for my everyday, EV or FCEV or PHEV, doesnt matter. But then the v8 would also stay
     
  2. Jan 6, 2022 at 9:26 AM
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    Terndrerrr it's good to get lost once in a while

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    I get that buying a new EV vs keeping your old gasser actually starts to save energy after driving the EV xx,000 miles. But, that’s only part of the equation. People are being conditioned into buying a new vehicle every few years. That’s not going to stop with EVs. Auto manufacturers are still going to roll out new features and try to get existing drivers to trade their vehicles in to keep them in a payment. And the energy consumption for steadily producing vehicles rolls on…

    I’m the odd man out when it comes to how I buy and how long I keep my vehicles. I only know a couple other guys personally who keep their vehicles long term. It doesn’t matter how much battery range someone’s EV has; if that person trades their cars in every few years and drives 4-5 different vehicles in the same 15-year span that I only drive my v8 Tundra, I am the one with the smaller carbon footprint. But if you’re wheeling and dealing vehicles, yeah you’re gonna consume less energy if you get in on the EV thing.
     
  3. Jan 6, 2022 at 9:40 AM
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    Since 1993, the shortest my dad's kept a vehicle was 14 years, excluding the one he bought in 2019 (replacing a 16-year old vehicle).
     
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  4. Jan 6, 2022 at 9:46 AM
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    I'm in total agreement. We've only purchased one new vehicle. We bought an '05 Echo in October 2004 and kept it until September 2020. It had 423,000 kms on it when we gifted it to our nephew.
    If I end up buying a '22 Tundra I plan to drive it for as long as absolutely possible.
    I'm all for BEV vehicles and plan to own one as soon as possible. I just wish they didn't come with all of the tech. I'd take BEV with manual windows, doors, mirrors, no heated seats or steering wheel and an am/fm/cd/cassette player. All I need is AC to keep the wife happy.
     
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  5. Jan 6, 2022 at 10:07 AM
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    You seem to be making the assumption that those 3-4 vehicles that person bought and got rid of get sent to the dump. I am pretty sure they probably get resold to someone with more financial sense than the original buyer since they are buying a 2-3 YO used car instead of a brand new one for 2x the cost. I've only ever bought one new car. And all the used cars i have sold went on to someone else to enjoy as the 3rd or 4th owner.

    The ONLY vehicle I have bought new was my F150 and that was only because I was working sales in the Rocky Mountain states. I wanted something relatively new that I could be confident in and I knew had a good service history. Buying new is the best service history possible, and with the resale value on trucks, it made literally no sense to buy a lightly used truck instead of a brand new one with Ford's incentives. I might have saved $2-3000 by buying a 2-3 YO truck with 50k miles and almost no warranty left.

    Honestly though, as a car enthusiast, I get bored relatively quickly. I am always looking around for what is next. Not because I hate whatever I am driving, but because I enjoy trying other vehicles. in general, the cars I buy don't depreciate much and so I can buy and sell them every few years and not take hits. I went from a 2006 Pontiac GTO to a Legacy GT Spec B to a diesel Jeep to an F150 and now to a Lexus GX and a 1995 4Runner. Thats in the span of 10 years. I am all over the board.

    Its like trading Pokemon cards for adults.
     
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  6. Jan 6, 2022 at 10:20 AM
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    Nice! That’s quite the run with the Echo! And yeah, I would totally be into a bare-bones EV truck.
     
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  7. Jan 6, 2022 at 11:10 AM
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    My Tundra is the first new vehicle I’ve ever bought. I always bought used (well cared for vehicles 5+ years old) and drove them to 250k+. But we outgrew my 4Runner at 135k, and I had the same experience truck shopping that you did.

    Of course the vehicles people flip are sold to someone else. Not every vehicle purchase is the result of a new vehicle being produced, and I didn’t claim that anywhere. But those people and their demand is a huge chunk of what drives the industry. Their demand supports a much larger carbon footprint than the guy who keeps a truck 10-15 years, even if they’re buying EVs and his old truck gets poor fuel economy.

    I think if it were up to the manufacturers, everyone would be trading in every few years. And the more a truck becomes like an iPhone, the more that will be the case, as the “hardware” won’t keep up with the software updates. We’re already conditioned into doing it with phones and laptops.
     
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  8. Jan 6, 2022 at 11:15 AM
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    If we all kept our trucks for 15 years would new sales really drop? I think the difference would be no one would wanna buy used anymore because all the used trucks are 15 years old and beat. So now you have a whole bunch of people buying new every 15 years instead of buying used cars more frequently.
     
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  9. Jan 6, 2022 at 11:17 AM
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    And TVs, stereos, large and small appliances, power tools.
    The average product life expectancy has likely fallen to 4 years.
    It’s disgusting.
     
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  10. Jan 6, 2022 at 12:08 PM
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    People en masse keeping their vehicles for 15 years would require an economic catastrophe or some kind of other situation we wouldn’t want. I don’t think that will ever happen organically. But if it did, yes, I think new vehicle sales would fall. If cars didn’t change hands nearly as often and people maintained them for longer, then fewer cars would go to the crusher and fewer cars would be produced.
     
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  11. Jan 6, 2022 at 12:28 PM
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    Average ownership is over 8yrs per this article.

    https://www.germaincars.com/average-length-of-car-ownership/
     
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  12. Jan 6, 2022 at 1:27 PM
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  13. Jan 6, 2022 at 5:46 PM
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    This could change with the increase cost of new/ used vehicles. As the cost rises, they owner will be more inclined to hold on to the vehicle longer.
     
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  15. Jan 7, 2022 at 10:54 AM
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  16. Jan 7, 2022 at 6:05 PM
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    Honest question: do you not lose money on depreciation/tax/fees/financing interest paid? I always imagine when people say they “make money” flipping new cars within a year that they are fudging the actual numbers a bit.

    One of my favorite things about Tennessee (besides no state income tax) is tags are a flat $79/yr.
     
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  17. Jan 7, 2022 at 8:17 PM
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    I was on the fence with this until I saw the pictures of the wastegate failure repair on another thread. Holy shnikies! Complete Cab and frame separation to repair/replace?? Save the damn V8’s!!! I’m definitely saving mine.
     
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  18. Jan 7, 2022 at 9:43 PM
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    Statistics are partial pictures. The piece missing here is there were 3+ years of significant recession years (2007-2010+) causing large purchases like autos to get postponed several years, impacting the numbers you see in the graph, THAT is why they numbers are skewed....
     
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    I don't know what you're referring to?
     
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    This nonsense

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    I’d be interested in knowing the cost of this repair at the dealer if it occured after warranty...my guess is at LEAST $10k...

    But hey hey, you saved a couple hundred on fuel...:rolleyes:
     
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    Depreciation was a thing a couple of years ago, but not lately. Even back then I considered depreciation/months ownership and figured that to be my "payment". Ex: sold a 4Runner for $1,000 below what I paid after 6 months ~ $167/month, which is pretty great. Insurance, gas, oil changes, tires are all things I don't really factor in as they are required wear items for any vehicle. Now, if I put $1,200 in new tires on a vehicle I would definitely add that to the selling price.

    I'm usually doing this on 10-25 year old Toyota 4x4's which maintain value better than most vehicles. I haven't done this flip strategy on anything NEW until these upcoming Ford Maverick and Bronco's. I am counting on these new babies to appreciate in value in the short term, not because they are exceptional but because of the Covid supply chain issues.
     
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    I bet its not unless Toyota is up charging an insane amount for turbos. $900 for a pair of oem Ecoboost turbos straight from Ford.

    And honestly, the Cab off thing is kinda suspicious. Unless they did something really whacky with engine placement, they should be able to do this through the wheel wells. I've removed and reinstalled one of my Ecoboost turbos in a few of hours in my garage with no lift and my shade-tree tools.

    And this is even more suspicious because its a wastegate issue. The gate actuators are like 3 bolts and a c-clip to remove.

    I kinda suspect that maybe Toyota corporate stepped in so they could inspect and make sure there was not a high level issue
     
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    The thing is they probably want the whole turbo to understand the actual problem in order to fix it long term. Is the actuator bad? Is the wastegate bad? I think the turbo can come out without removing the cab but it will be really tight.
     
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    Exactly. I don't know that this is common approach and is likely a result of Toyota trying to trace the issue.

    Also I don't think lifting the cab is a big deal for a dealer. They are built to disconnect quickly.
     
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    This is pathetic lol. I could think many other more important things worth fighting for.
     
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    To replace one turbo (parts only) is about $4k...$8k for both. Add labour and $10k is VERY possible.
     
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    $8K for two turbos? Are the compressor housings solid gold?

    Toyota must be proud. I guess I'll keep my F150 since I can buy and entire long block for that.
     
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    Here's a link for the turbocharger assembly on one side....the other side is the same price. This is for 2018 Lexus LS500 that uses the same engine as the 2022 Tundra. Perhaps with economy of scale the price will drop over time, but given today's inflationary climate, I'm definitely not holding my breath. In fact, given the extreme inflationary pressures as we are currently witnessing now (and that are unlikely to abate anytime soon), I fully expect that in about 10 years (an optimistic guess) when the 2022s are likely to need this service done, new replacement units would cost much more than the current advertised price.

    https://parts.lexus.com/p/Lexus_201...-SUB-ASSEMBLY---NO-1/72013749/1720170050.html
     
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    well that sucks. I see why Toyota people are obsessed with Reliabilty. If you have to replace a turbo you gotta remortgage the house :rofl:

    i did find them for 3300 at another parts site though.
     
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