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Request for rear shock recommendations for my scenerio

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by MannFrank86, May 5, 2024.

  1. May 5, 2024 at 4:33 PM
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    Hey folks. 2008 tundra 5.7, crew max 4x4 with stock suspension. I don’t plan on a lift, just need to replace the very old Toyota shocks. I do go off road some but it’s all blm roads and washboard trails, no rock crawling or the like. Aside from the diamondback bed cover weight, I will be towing a small expedition camper which will weigh approx 3000 +/- lbs wet. I do plan to add sumo springs at some point front and back.
    I’m starting with the rear shocks and then will replace the front spring/shock (coilovers?) so any recommendations all around is appreciated. I don’t think I need king or fox shocks, but would like a quality step up from Toyota stock stuff.
     
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    Shocks that I would consider quality steps up but not king or fox level would be Eibach, Bilstein, Iroman4x4, and old man emu. There are several options from each of those brands that would all be better than stock.
     
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    2mchfun Cool story, but did your new TTV6 tow a shuttle?

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  4. May 5, 2024 at 5:11 PM
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    That’s great. Who might he be?
     
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    Any one in particular win out in the reliability and longevity dept? Are bilsteins 5100’s too soft for the rear of a pickup that tows? Thanks for the reply.
     
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    Well, the Aussies know a thing or two about off-roading so both iron Man 4x4 and old man emu make some durable products. Most people say 5100s actually firm up the ride so no worries for towing. They also are a very commonly used option. Personally on my Tacoma I am running the old man emu MT-64 shocks which are a very large and beefy shock that they claim doesn't need rebuilds at the frequency of that high on shocks like King and Fox need. So far I'm very happy with them but they are definitely more spendy than some Bilstein 5100s.
     
  8. May 5, 2024 at 5:23 PM
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    2mchfun Cool story, but did your new TTV6 tow a shuttle?

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    Colton is a vendor here on the site that offers good advice and fair prices on quality products to help you customize your truck to meet your specific needs. He will reach out soon!
     
  9. May 5, 2024 at 5:31 PM
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    2mchfun Cool story, but did your new TTV6 tow a shuttle?

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    Mike at Exit Offroad would be the man to talk to about Dobinson's suspension products.
     
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    Hello there, and thank you to everyone for the shout-outs! @2mchfun @ColoradoTJ

    To put things simply a digressive setup is likely going to treat you best in terms of day to day ride comfort plus longevity. Your big names in this space are Bilstein, Eibach, Dobinsons, and Icon to name our most popular ones. My personal favorites for a use case such as yours are going to be either the Bilstein 6112/5160 or Eibach Stage 2R setups. They will have ride characteristics similar to what you know out of your existing setup, but they'll have fresh oil and a whole lot more of it. Far more resistant to shock fade, and will be able to handle your trailer's weight with ease. We've also not discussed this, but do you have a budget it mind?
    https://hotshotoffroad.com/collecti...kits/products/6112-5160-lift-kit-07-21-tundra
    https://hotshotoffroad.com/collecti...o-truck-coilover-kit-stage-3-4wd-14-21-tundra

    As for rear-end load-carrying capacity my two cents is that a Roadactive suspension system handles varying weights better than anything else on the market at the moment. That said, if you absolutely want no additional ride height then you might have to go with Sumos as a Roadactive will get you about +.75" of ride height.
    https://hotshotoffroad.com/products/active-suspension-kit-14-21-tundra
     
  11. May 6, 2024 at 12:59 PM
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    thank you for the detailed reply! I didn’t mentioned budget and I should have. The links you sent are quality stuff but more than I would care to spend. That said, I could break it up a bit and get the rear done, then address the front. I didn’t think reservoirs would be something I would need but I’ll readily admit I’m not exceptionally knowledgeable on shock and strut construction. Do shocks factor in to towing? I do want to ensure I don’t get much sag so my headlights aren’t blinding others as we travel. Thanks again for the help.
     
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    Bilstein 4600s are what you are describing. Not everyone needs King and Fox stuff. If you really don't want to lift, the 4600s are the way. 5100s will give you the option of lifting the front if you are at all interested.
     
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    maybe find someone with lower mile takeoffs from a newer truck? they're almost free
     
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    I would like to remove some of the rake in the front but what is my best course of action to remove some rake and prevent the front of going up when I tow? Thanks for the feedback.
     
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    Gotta pick one. Rake for towing, or level for the mall.
     
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    Well, we’ll leave the rake. I’m more concerned about towing to boondock remotely than the mall. I’ve not been to a mall in a decade or more. Lol
     
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    OK, now that we know you have your priorities straight, you may be able to get rid of some of the rake without ruining your ability to tow. The 5100's will allow you to pick from around an inch of lift, up to closer to 2.5". The rears are just shocks and do not add any lift, but RAS or SUMO springs could augment the spring rate in the back and help with sag. As far as the front going up with towing, a WDH will help to prevent that.
     
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    so 4600 in the back and 5100 in the front mildly adjusted to remove SOME rake (1”) but not ruin towing. Sumo springs in the rear, eventually the front. What springs would be good for the front to go with the 5100’s? Thanks for the help.
     
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    Your factory front springs
     
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    Roadmaster active suspension is the answer to keep your headlights in focus.
     
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    Shocks can factor into towing in that if they are not valved properly they can degrade the towing experience. Also, having greater oil volume assists in resisting shock fade. All said, is it critical? No, but pretty much everything discussed so far will have better support than what you are currently dealing with.

    I would say that the most "economical" way to do what you want is replace the shocks with 4600s and just be off to the races. You'll have the stance and the ride that you have now, but with fresh shocks that will give you the daily ride comfort back.

    The next step up IMO would be a roadactive suspension coupled with bilstein 5100s all around as @KNABORES has suggested. You'd retain your OEM spring, get shocks that have the proper length to handle the additional lift that a RAS system would add in, and have additional oil capacity across the board. Please note that a 5100 (being a entry-level performance shock) is going to be a little bit firmer in the ride department than your OEM or 4600 series shocks. I can't call it worse, just different. It'll be more capable when towing or when pushed and will track nicer on the highway, but will ride a bit firmer on the small bumps in town.
     
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    So am I correct in that a viable, budget friendly set up would be:

    1) Bilstein 4600’s in the rear (or 5100’s)
    2) road active suspension in the rear
    3) Bilstein 5100’s with stock springs in the front?
     
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    Looks like a winner to me. I’ve heard (could be misinformed), that the 4600 and 5100 valving is similar if not the same. The difference is the ability to lift. Fronts provide an adjustable perch to set lift height and rears accommodate an additional inch of lift, but obviously don’t provide any.
     
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    Given that the Roadactive suspension is going to give you a little bit of lift in the rear I would go with 5100s out back as well. They are a little bit longer than a 4600 so you'll ride in the ideal travel pocket more consistently.
     

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