New Taco Vs New Tundra

Real world differences would be found on long steep grades. As you suggest at some point there would be a diminishing return if your tow vehicle is only rated to tow 7,000lbs. Once the tow vehicle can pull any grade you point it at with the trailer on the hitch, with enough power to maintain the posted speed limit plus say 5MPH over to allow you to safely pass slower moving traffic if needed then anything beyond that is probably not a “need” but more of a “want”.

There’s also going to be a big difference in performance at high altitudes. If one of those engines is turbocharged and the other one is naturally aspirated the turbocharged engine is going to mop the floor with the naturally aspirated engine towing in the mountains. So you could see a 310HP turbocharged engine stomp on a 360HP naturally aspirated engine on the pull up to the Eisenhower Tunnel at 11,000ft above sea level, because the turbo engine is probably still pretty close to full rated power, and the naturally aspirated engine will be capable of only 241HP up there.

 

What if you made the Tundra out of titanium alloy? Now that Tundra has a curb weight closer to 3000lbs. Does that mean it’s not a 1/2 anymore? The difference in payload between current 1/2 tons and these midsize trucks is miniscule.

The market demand right now is to offer 1/2 ton and under trucks that are really just big all weather family sedans with a bed. Any more payload and ride becomes too truck like, and that is where 3/4 ton and 1 tons come into play… for people that actually need a truck to use hard.

So unless some very cool new suspension technology comes out that is affordable to put into mass production there will not be a big difference in payload between a midsize truck and a 1/2 ton truck. Manufacturers are doing everything they can to make both options as versatile as possible while still riding well so families will buy them. As consumers we have a great choice now of just how big of a roughly 1/2 ton or maybe better termed non-heavy duty truck to buy. Need more space inside and a wider bed for bulky stuff like furniture, appliances, or other crap in that nominal 1300-1600lb payload all these trucks are playing in? Buy a full size, and it will tow a bit more. Need similar payload but need it to fit in narrower spaces, fit a smaller garage, get better mileage and still hauls weight in the bed? A midsize could be a great solution, and now it doesn’t have to be a penalty box to spend time in.

I still maintain Toyota could do themselves and the North American market a favor and bring an HD Tundra. All the bitching about payload on the 1/2 ton Tundra would end practically overnight as Toyota faithful with bigger jobs could just go buy the 1 ton Tundra they really want, and stop jumping through their own asses trying to make a 1/2 ton do 3/4 ton and 1 ton shit.

 

Never seen a Tundra with 2200 lbs of payload. Don’t expect to ever see a Tacoma with 1600 lbs of payload either. Don’t GARA what the advertised specs are from Toyota. The door jam stickers are what matters.

 

https://youtu.be/-ohNRzHtf_0

 

Idk…I think I want those seats.

 

Those seats do look pretty baller, being honest with myself and how I use a truck they’d probably be overkill for my use. Not a lot of high speed off-roading to be had in my AO.

 

Great idea and great concept.... However, given the number of folks that are flat out being told to basically pound sand when they try to get basic QC issues sorted out (hell even a second key fob), why would I want to pay extra for a seat that has even more parts that need proper assembly, maintenance and replacement??? Surprised they are not remote tuned via the app and require a monthly service fee to operate

 

The Tacoma back seats fold down for a flat floor. Do the Tundra seats do this yet ?
He said 95% of owners don't tow over 5000 lbs. Thats why the target is 6400 lbs.
up to 1700 payload. I figure its going to be 1200 -1300 on most of them which is almost like the Tundra.
The only thing it is missing is a roll down window. Decent power in the bed ac and dc.
Seems to me with the videos I have seen that it is very focused on truck utility and they want it to remain the world class leader.
The 6 foot bed is like a Goldilocks size.

https://youtu.be/Fh-s9O3EgRs

 

Now that feature (fold down flat rear seats) is a game changer; especially for those of us w/dogs!!!!

 

IDk - but I think they may have something that would temp me out of my Tundra.

Now the tricky part - do I sell the Tundra now while price is high - and wait for a Tacoma - or hold the Tundra and trade/sell when my allocation arrives ? Talked to local Toyota here - names on the list for a Tacoma Pro - we will see - unless this thing comes in at 65k plus sticker - it looks good.

 

the problem with the seats is that it only gives at most 7% benefit. for the roi, its not really worth it and you can probably find better seats aftermarket.

 

from Alex on Autos
Tacoma Limited gets full time 4wd.
This means the new 4Runner should also keep the Torsen diff. and full time 4wd.

 

yeah thats why i have a 14 limited. full time 4wd with torsen.

need it for work during the winter since i am on the road at 5am, usually before the highway plows are out.

 

Agreed on the 1200-1300 lbs of payload.
95%? I guess, if we’re only talking about Tacoma owners. They chose not to increase the towing capacity because this limitation forces those that need to tow more than 5000lbs to do the ‘model walk’ and move up to a Tundra. It also keeps the weight of the Tacoma down in order to provide better fuel economy.
World class leader in the small truck segment.
If we didn’t feel the need to increase the size of our current travel trailer there’s no way I could justify getting anything larger or more capable than a Tacoma. I’d still be driving our 2012 and be shortly surpassing 300,000kms.
My folks raised 3 kids and drove 4 door sedans (Plymouth Volare, Ford Granada, Chrysler Caravelle) until we were all in our teens. IMHO most people simply can’t justify owning a full size truck or SUV. Unfortunately we need the additional towing capacity and payload that the Tundra offers. The added bed length and fuel tank capacity are a bonus.

 

The Tundra should have absolutely had the same Torsen transfer case as the LC300 as an option and standard on the TRD Pro.

 

If you are in the 5% of their study with your needs - it is what it is.
Reality out my way I can tell you (Lake Simcoe- Muskoka - Haliburton) there are a lot of boats this time of year through fall.
Mostly 18 - 20 ft bowriders and fishing boats - 3000 -5000lbs. Right in the sweet spot.
I see a fair number of people moving these in some cases 20 ft Bowriders between lakes in smaller vehicles like CRV's and RAV4's. Yeah.

What year is your Tundra ?
What I am thinking is if the Toyota engineering team that designed the new Tacoma were the ones that worked on the new Tundra.
I may probably be in one now. Outside of the shared Toyota parts like steering wheel - the different thought process between the two is pretty obvious.
The Tacoma even with all this new tech and features still looks like an evolution to me.
They did not want to mess anything up as it was the sales leader.

I really don't need this feature but C'mon Toyota - why does the luxury Platinum Tundra have one button to open the tail gate driver side. The Tacoma has buttons both sides and it is a power tail gate up and down.

I am assuming the TRD Pro guy is not for looks but capability. So the part time system is fine when offroading. I see the full time system more for the person that needs 4wd in a daily driver under changing conditions like winter highway. It should at least be standard on the luxury Tundra trims. jmo

 

I am pretty sure the new Crewmax Tundra back seats can't be designed to fold flat due to the clearance needed for the motor for the roll down rear window. Its the reason the DC Tundra doesn't have a roll down window. Why then does the DC Tundra not have fold down seats like the Tacoma. Does the new Tacoma have more in back now over the DC Tundra?

I have an 85 lb black lab. The back seat height has always been too high in the TRD version of my 2018 Tundra truck. He prefers one side of the floor. Its flat enough. I just toss his bed down there.

 

I replaced a ‘12 double cab Tacoma with a ‘23 double cab Tundra. While I never measured them for comparison, there was significantly more space in the rear seat of the double cab Tacoma. Therefore, it had room for the seat bottoms to be lifted up then the seat backs to be pulled down and laid flat behind the seat bottoms. The hard plastic seat backings was also a huge plus. The rear space in the 3rd Gen double cabs is hilariously small. What’s even funnier is that Toyota provided a seat belt for the middle passenger and yet anyone outside of a child or booster seat would not physically be able to place there legs between the front of the seat bottom and the rear of the center console. So, the rear seat backs in a double cab 3rd Gen would have to be incredibly shorter for them to be configured similarly to the Tacoma. I also suspect that the rear seats in a Tacoma weigh significantly more than the rear seats in a Tundra (4 bolts and 4 hinges) and Mike Sweers has repeatedly stated they had to remove mass from the redesign.

 

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Totally agree. That whole bunch of switches above the center console is a cluster. They are hard as hell to read in daylight.

What's
up by the switches by my left knee too? It's stoopid in my wifes Rav, stoopid in the Tundra.

 

Insane torque for a Taco. You can't put that much weight on the hitch.