Major Rubbing with TRD Lift Kit

I recently installed the new TRD Lift Kit on my 2022 Tundra. I have the 20 inch TRD OffRoad wheels as well. My tires are Toyo Open Country AT3’s. 35x12.50x20. My tires are rubbing my sway bar like crazy. Even before I get to full lock. I’m not well versed in wheel and tire combos but both the wheels and the lift are directly from Toyota. I feel like there should be no rubbing at all. Thanks.

 

I struggled between the 35x12.5x20 and the 285/65R20 for months. The flotation 35” is the original badass size and looks amazing. I wish I had them on my rig!

I went for the metric because of the boosted load capacity and the better “compatibility” with the Toyota (Japanese) metric mindset. It’s pretty darn close and no rub, good compatibility.

 

Thank you! What do you think about 315/60R20? I love the TRD wheels and was hoping to keep them. The wheels are 20x8.5.

 

I didnt know you can put a 12.5 inch wide tire on a 8.5 wide stock wheel

thats pretty damn wide tire with that high positive off-set stock wheels

 

Thank you! I had a local tire shop put them on and they didn’t question it. I’m not sure where to go from here. I don’t want wheel spacers.

 

a lot of tire shops, like discount tire offer 30 day ride comfort guarantees, perhaps talk to them and say these things are rubbing too much and go down a size

or you can add after market wheels with a neg offset and that may clear those, but then you get into poke situations so not sure how you feel about poke.

those are heavy ass tires though so your ride quality and MPG is going to suffer as well, but you were likely aware of that.

 

Thank you! Any suggestions on how much negative offset? I’m not familiar with how it works.

 

comb through here and see if someone is running that size tire and what they are running

https://www.tundras.com/threads/gen-3-2022-wheels-and-tires-photo-thread.101215/

also, if you want to learn it, this will help a bit or,

easy path is go back to tire shop and get something more narrow, you can easily have 35"s but the 12.5 wide makes it much tougher.

 

Great! Thanks a lot. And thanks to everyone for their help. Great group.

 

Wheel offset is the distance relationship between the hub that mounts the wheel to the truck and the part of the rim that mounts the tire. The more positive the number, the more the tire is pulled into the wheel well. The more negative the number, the further the tire is pushed out of the wheel well. Factory Toyota wheels have the tire pulled so far into the wheel well that it is tough to go much bigger in tire size without rubbing on something, usually the upper control arm.If you want a larger tire your choices are spacer to push the tire out of the well or a different wheel with a less positive or more negative offset. On factory wheels you would have been better off with the other tire because they are an inch or so narrower.

If you don’t understand offset, do an internet search for wheel offset and you will find a ton of great explanations with pics to help it make sense.

 

That’s make a lot of sense. Thanks for explaining it in that way. Finally learned about offset. I love the TRD wheels but I guess my best option is aftermarket ones.

 

The easiest option would be wheel spacers of you wanna keep the stock wheels but since you said no to that. I personally wouldn't go with a negative offset wheel or you are gonna have some major poke. Stay in the lower of the positive offsets and you should be fine. I have 35x12.5r18 on my Tundra with the Westcott lifts and I have no rubs on a +12 offset wheel.

 

So I have method wheels and 12.5 tires. They poke out way more than I’d like them to and my paint job is taking a beating because of it. If you never leave pavement than not a big issue. For my next tire I’ll be going to a narrower tire. Just know that with 12.5 tires you’ll be pushing the tire outside of the wheel well if you add enough offset to fix your rubbing. So a little rubbing or a little poke…. Pick your pleasure haha.

 

Probably need a +40ish offset to hit the sweet spot. Hard to find a wheel like that. Most are close to 0. Mine are +15 and there is some poke but hoping to get some TRD Pro flares to deal with that. I am running 295/60/R20 on an 8.5” rim. A 285/65/R20 would be taller and maybe a bit skinnier.

 

Just remove sway bar and see how it drives?

 

Actually these are 11.5 (285 65 18) on +18 method 705’s and they still poke quite a bit. I love the aggressive sidewall on my MT Baja bosses but adds to the issues of having a tire poke out past the wheel wells.

 

Well, as mentioned in the other thread, have the kit being installed currently and took recommendation from dealer parts guy on tires - which were the Nitto 35 x 12.5 Ridge Grapplers - and I felt good on that seeing that is what they were on the SEMA truck. I have them doing the TRD skid plate at the same time with the instructions on how to do it properly so the sway bar hidden.

Will let you know if they tell me there is a rub issue as I will ask prior to having it picked up.

 

Thanks again everyone! I think I’m going to try some Method wheels with this setup.

 

I’m not a spacer fan. They create some new problems such as additional stress on hubs and if not put on properly you can lose a wheel. Even with 285/65/20 on factory rims I was still afraid of rubbing and went the new rim route. I like Toyota rims, I just wish they would consider that lots of people want larger tires and running a positive offset of +70’ish makes it such that factory rims aren’t an option unless you are willing to run spacers.

 

Thank you! It’s nice to finally understand how this works. And that large positive offset is odd. Do you know the benefit and why they do that?

 

I am running 35x11.5R20 Nitto's on my stock 20" TRD wheels, no lift... no poke, no rubbing... the 12.5 is pretty wide for the stock wheels

 

So you think if I dropped down to 11.50 that’ll be enough? That would be a lot easier.

 

they fit at stock height....not 100% how the angles of the lift would change that... but if I was a betting man... I would think they would... 12.5 on a 8.5 wheel causes alot of side "bulge".... BTW... great looking truck, love the lift!

 

The key is the stock OE wheels. They have a very high offset like +60 mm and most aftermarket wheels have a low offset near 0 mm. So if you imagine the increased arc created by the distance from the rotating point to the outside corners. With the same tire, and an offset closer to "0" you are increasing the arc and the outer corners travel further. I haven't done the math but if you add an extra 2.3" to the radius (60 mm), the already tight 35 will be that much closer to the inner fender.

The lift helps and the stock offset helps greatly. If the stock wheels and 35's work with out touching the suspension parts, that would be the best fit. I just didn't like the wheels that came on my truck.

I was surprised by how much the offset affected the rubbing. I have 295/60's and they are only ~34" diameter so not adding much more that 0.75" to the radius. But I add the 45mm difference in offset and now I am adding an extra 2.5" to the radius and getting rubbing in back and front when turning. The width of the rim also contributes to this to a lesser degree.

 

Add some photos if you don't mind - Interested to see how it looks. Thanks.

 

I ran spacers on mine 1 1/4 inch. If you buy good quality spacers like Bora you will have 0 issues. Many people off road with them do many other crazy things most of us wont. Extremely high quality.

 

@TallulahTundra I was all over these threads before I did the factory lift and saw that some people were getting rubbing and some were not. I put the 285/65 with my lift and stock wheels and have no rubbing what so ever. Just by looks I am pretty sure the 35x12.5 would fit as well on my truck but. I am just wondering if some dealers are installing the lifts differently (despite they get the same set of instructions) because that seems to be the only denominator that would cause some to rub and others not when using factory wheels and the same tire sizes. Not an expert but just my thoughts.

 

Interesting point. I’d love to find that out. Thank you. I’m co side ring the Boras.

 

it seems like your options are either get narrower tires, or get more negative offset wheels.