If you're a Gen 3 owner, what do you do?

For those who will be selling in the immediate future, what will you be purchasing/driving instead?

 

Agreed. Speculatively selling trucks that are currently running fine at a loss in a cooled market because it’s definitely a “ticking time bomb” is wild.

ANYthing else. It’s a ticking time bomb! Nevermind that there are most likely more trucks that have more miles than the average failure point that are just fine.

A ticking time bomb I tell you!

 

There is a case for going back a gen til this is sorted out.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/2...tedly-goes-878987-miles-in-under-seven-years/

 

I was lucky to find a cream puff 2018 SR5 4x4 with 32,500 miles on it last fall. It now has 39,500. I was specifically looking for a dinosaur 4runner or Tundra, going backwards from a 2022 Ford. I don't think all the electronics and over complication of new vehicles bodes well for longevity thus going less complicated and proven.

I got a long way to go but I get bored too easily. I am working for a company that provides a truck as part of the compensation package so it will only get weekend miles split between it and a Harley.

If I had a 3rd Gen it wouldn't get to the failure miles of reported ones before the base warranty expired.

 

Many are now starting to fail at 5k or less. Most recently, a '24 Pro with less than 3k miles, with the same build month as mine 3/24. Yikes

 

How many more trucks are there built within the recall window that have more miles than the average failure point? I bet it’s a lot more than there are failures.

 

Possibly, and I hope you're right. But, as the dead horse has been beaten, many factors play in to if/when failure will occur. Those will more than average failure point miles may have less debris than others thus a pending higher mileage failure, or weren't towing, or were driven like Mrs. Daisy, or had frequent oil changes extending the immanent failure date, etc. Hard to say really, but one thing that is evident is multiple post recall production date failures are happening daily it seems and the '23-'24's are both hybrid and non-hybrid. So, all 3rd gen owners are at risk.....only one upstairs friend knows when each engine will implode.

 

More hyperbole.

Post failures and dates.

Or stop saying ridiculous things.

 

A lot of people don't seem to realize that many of the Gen 3 owners didn't want a Gen 2 to begin with. (Or a GMC or Ford.) If they did, that's what they would already be driving.

 

Funny, someone just posted a failure. '24 it appears. But, let the denial continue to flow my friend. Love the blind loyalty.

Again, you work for Toyota?

 

Lots of assumptions the other OEMs are magically trouble free. COVID and EV transition will be future business school studies on the impact to quality.

The model I have always followed is buy a new vehicle that retains some value, drive it 7-8 years and 90k miles and repeat the cycle. It avoids a ton of maintenance and repair costs. The total cost is similiar to driving the doors off one. It is either buy 1/2 a truck every 7-8 years or a whole truck every 15.

With the price of parts and labor going thru the roof now the basis for the above logic likely gets stronger going forward

 

Not sure anything changes. A week ago we all knew there were some failures occurring. Toyo releases a safety recall confirming what we all knew. And somehow now all need to panic why?

 

Nobody is in denial that there is a problem, but everyone perceives reality differently. Not everyone wants to just panic and dump their truck. Do what makes you feel the most comfortable.

 

What I hear are people who paid a lot of money for a truck they planned to keep awhile, often choosing Toyota because they have had negative experiences with other mfgs and/or prior good experiences with Toyota. Now, given info from Toyota which on the surface appears inconsistent or suspect regarding the real cause, and with failures occurring outside the published build dates in the NHTSA filing, some of these owners foresee their resale values plummeting. Cause for serious concern? I think so.

 

Gen 3 guys saying the odds are small, don't worry, Toyota will take care of it for the less than 1% affected.





A few weeks later, the check engine light comes on, as more failures occur including 24s and hybrids and trade in plummets......

 

So fire sale your truck now to start over with another equally expensive truck from another brand with likely the same reliability as the one you gave away? Not sure I am tracking on that logic. But to each us own. Panic on.

 

Panic, maybe but not the main motivating factor. More like I’m currently driving the most unreliable pickup including the big 3 which has a safety recall and can cause catastrophic results with my family in tow. Hmmmmm….no, you’re right, it probably is panic. Again, another fan boy in denial lol. Hell, the Nissan Titan is a better made truck than the 3rd gen Tundra…and that’s saying something.

 

I still think the odds of lifter failures in the big 3 V8s, tranny problems with Ford or GM, and then the total ? reliability of other brands turbos such as TurboMax Hurricane , small DuraMax and at least the Ford 2.7 EB make it all a punt. There is no zero risk option on the market ever. All the vehicles for sale now have risks that are likely in the same range.

And if you think Toyota is bad, wait until you start working an issue with Ram, Ford or GM. Or their dealerships.

 

That is the thing. What would I go to in the new 1/2 ton pickup market that IS reliable and NOT freaking crazy expensive?

When I was looking around last fall and early this year you could get a Ram 1500 4x4 with eco diesel for $39,000. I took a close look at that and saw the many issues with that motor and skipped it. Now you can get a Ram with the last of the 5.7L V-8s for around the same price. The problem is, they are the ones with the mild hybrid. Again lots of problems. Pass, again.

 

So add it to the “definitely daily failures” list you’re making.

Not hyperventilating over each new failure = blind loyalty. Got it.

 

Boat everybody is in for just about every class of vehicle.

The best EV motivation is going to be where the final ICE vehicles are headed. Everybody is designing their final ICE models that will be marketed the next 10-15 years that are uber expensive with turbo lawn mower engines and iffy reliability

 

Not worry about it. it will all sort over time

 

If you’re one who buys a truck for the long term and intends to run it ‘til it’s dead or no longer reliable, then you’re almost certainly not panicking. But you would be in the minority. The vast majority of people intend to one day trade in, either to the next gen, a different mfg because you’re not blindly loyal to one brand, or just because they like having a new vehicle. There’s nothing wrong with that. But those are the people who probably should be and are very concerned.

 

Fixed it for you.

 

Yup…that is part of it too.

 

That journal and bearing do not look like debris damage. Granted it was a bit grainy.

That looked like heat checking from either a dry running condition or lack of clearance or too much load. The black marks on outer edges also look freakishly similar to damage from excessive taper. “Filet ride” can cause that too.

The other journals are not damaged at all.

 

If this is the final resolution from Toyota to fix them like this. My idea of getting a cream puff low mileage panic trade in Tundra for 1/2 off goes out the window.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TnjdefoNBNSYXNDnTSqYHIu2HYc5RUJs/view

 

I guess this is Toyota “making it right” lol

 

If I didn't have sliders, skids, a camper shell and Truck Vault, I may look to sell or trade, but I would not do so until I see what the remedy is from Toyota.

If it is a bs engine check and continued short block, I'll dump it, hopefully before the recall gets expanded to my 6/23 build TRD Pro. And it may be my last new Toyota purchase.

If you do have a failure outside of the recall, please report it to the NHTSA, and give them a link to the failure thread here too, to show them the extent of this, and Toyota's revised cleaning process has not made a difference.

 

yep and that was a factory with hundreds of people, not one tech with overdue snap on payments.