1. Welcome to Tundras.com!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tundra discussion topics
    • Transfer over your build thread from a different forum to this one
    • Communicate privately with other Tundra owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

If you're a Gen 3 owner, what do you do?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by BoulderGT3, May 31, 2024.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Jun 10, 2024 at 3:58 PM
    #421
    pyoung62

    pyoung62 Retired

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2023
    Member:
    #105002
    Messages:
    199
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Paul
    Raleigh, NC
    Vehicle:
    2023 Tundra 1794 Edition
    What he said. And if you’re one of those roughly 1000 people, I’ll bet you’d think differently. On the spreadsheet on this forum, one owner had their engine tank at 179 miles, and there are a few with multiple failures. If you know you have manufacturing contamination, you rebuild a blown up engine, and then it fails again, can you really wonder why many of us are skeptical that contamination is the root cause? If thinking the hiring of 350 more engine builders is telling us something. It’s certainly not because sales of the Tundra have skyrocketed in the past month.
     
    alwaysuphill and Black Wolf like this.
  2. Jun 10, 2024 at 4:06 PM
    #422
    paulphilly

    paulphilly New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2017
    Member:
    #9207
    Messages:
    288
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Paul
    Upstate NY
    Vehicle:
    '24 TRD Pro
    I’ll play too :) Toyota estimated and does not know how many units are affected. The 824 number is merely a warranty claim number Toyota stated within the 102,000 recalled units. Now, based on the recent lying scandal where the Toyota president bowed in shame, and the fact that Toyota states in the recall they implemented better cleaning processes at the engine plant are both very shady and manipulative tactics. Many post recall production date failures have occurred, and with some customers getting multiple defective replacement short blocks. This better cleaning process statement is a feel good smoke screen. You know, fasten your seatbelts with seats in the upright position… yep, that won’t help in a collision at 500mph but the goal is the false sense of security from the airline.

    You’re loyal to Toyota, I respect that. However, I encourage those like yourself that are in denial to objectively look at the facts and not dismiss how Toyota has mishandled the engine failures and strategically left out hybrid post recall production ‘23-‘24 units. Toyota wants to keep selling these things to people like me while knowing they are unsafe and should have a stop sale, like the ‘22-‘23 states. Nope, they know the risk but don’t care and will extend the recall probably around January 2025 to include all ‘22-‘24 models, hybrid and non-hybrid.

    Lastly, you say you’re not worried about this due to countless other things you worry about more. That sounds confident and bold, but respectfully if you lose power while going 75mph with those you care about aboard and can’t pull over, I promise that will give you something to worry about. If not, the young inexperienced tech ripping apart your truck and spreading the parts and engine all over the service bay will. Now, if neither of those things worry you, I need to speak to you on a personal level as you have apparent superhero mental intestinal fortitude and I want some lol.
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2024 at 4:14 PM
    DFS and hairychestedfrog like this.
  3. Jun 10, 2024 at 4:17 PM
    #423
    Matt2015Tundra

    Matt2015Tundra New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2022
    Member:
    #81755
    Messages:
    730
    Gender:
    Male

    Dude, you are way to hyperbolic and Karen-ish for me. I stated on another similar thread that I wish I would have considered a Ram 1500 instead of my Gen 3, but brand loyalty bit me in the ass. It is what it is....just another vehicle out of dozens I've owned...and it won''t be my last. Gotta take the bad with the good, and don't stress over it. It''s not like a child of mine is dying.
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2024 at 4:28 PM
  4. Jun 10, 2024 at 4:39 PM
    #424
    paulphilly

    paulphilly New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2017
    Member:
    #9207
    Messages:
    288
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Paul
    Upstate NY
    Vehicle:
    '24 TRD Pro
    Thanks Matt, I appreciate the compliments. I haven’t been called hyperbolic in a while lol. Cool.

    Like you, brand loyalty has bit me in the ass too. And you’re right, I’ve had some damn good Land Cruisers, 4Runners, LX470’s, etc. Also, it may seem like I’m stressed but I’m really not. I’m simply in tune with the reality of the situation and am thus dissecting and interpreting intel as most owners are attempting to do. Therefore, based on the research and facts I have compiled, it’s my simple belief the engine has a serious design flaw. To change a design flaw which is under a safety recall mind you, is a great undertaking. Toyota tried to appease current owners via defective short block replacements, while still not identifying a root cause. That leaves a sour taste in my mouth and frankly, I’ve lost faith in Toyota. Even Toyota hasn’t identified affected units and has no clue how many have and will fail. This leads me to conclude that since there is no identified fix yet, all ‘22-‘24 units both hybrid and non-hybrid will bite the dust. When is dependent on abuse, towing, oil change frequency, debris amount, etc. Those that haven’t failed yet have been lucky, but under current defective design flaw conditions with debris as a side effect, it’s improbable that any of our trucks built to date will enjoy a long, problem free engine lifecycle. Cheers :oldglory:
     
    DFS, PATundra13 and Black Wolf like this.
  5. Jun 10, 2024 at 4:50 PM
    #425
    jctmundra

    jctmundra New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2023
    Member:
    #90987
    Messages:
    277
    Northern VT
    Vehicle:
    '23 1794 Hybrid Stunning Mesquite/Cream
    Woa. Hope you have a strong magnet mounted to the front bumper to pick-up the nails and sheets rock screws. Can't image what a tire blow would do to ya.

    Loyalty was gone 40+ years ago and at dealer level, not manufacturer. It's an illusion carried forward by prior generations.
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2024 at 5:06 PM
    sandiegosteve and BoulderGT3[OP] like this.
  6. Jun 10, 2024 at 4:55 PM
    #426
    Black Wolf

    Black Wolf Bigfoot Hunter, Sasquatch too, but not Yeti

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2014
    Member:
    #378
    Messages:
    40,438
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Matt
    Aurora CO
    Vehicle:
    2022 Nissan Frontier SV 4X4
    TuwaPro rack, Z1 Offroad stuff, NISMO suspension stuff, FlowmasterFX Extreme exhaust, AIS, OVS, J&L can, other goodies on the way
    I just literally got of the phone with the sales department at Stevenson's East Yota dealership which is maybe 10 minutes away. I pretended that I was a prospective buyer for a new Tundra and wanted to upsize from my 22 Frontier. I brought up the current recall. I was assured that there are no "bearing" issues with the 24's. I mentioned that there are documented failures with the 24's. "We aren't aware of that". "We have four 24's not affected by the recall." Me..."How many Tundra's getting short blocks at your service bays now?" Crickets.then.. "We have four 24's for sale not affected by the recall." I hung up.
     
    alwaysuphill likes this.
  7. Jun 10, 2024 at 4:55 PM
    #427
    BoulderGT3

    BoulderGT3 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2023
    Member:
    #95419
    Messages:
    737
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Glen
    Vehicle:
    2023 1794 4X4 BP/Saddle ADV Steps
    Toyota sales are very strong. I think Tundra sales were the highest per month since 2007. They make a lot more than Tundra motors there so it's more than likely a business is good scenario vs they need more people to build V6TT's.
     
  8. Jun 10, 2024 at 4:57 PM
    #428
    BoulderGT3

    BoulderGT3 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2023
    Member:
    #95419
    Messages:
    737
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Glen
    Vehicle:
    2023 1794 4X4 BP/Saddle ADV Steps
    Thank you for your service.

    I just sent an oil sample to Blackstone.
     
    Black Wolf[QUOTED] likes this.
  9. Jun 10, 2024 at 4:59 PM
    #429
    Black Wolf

    Black Wolf Bigfoot Hunter, Sasquatch too, but not Yeti

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2014
    Member:
    #378
    Messages:
    40,438
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Matt
    Aurora CO
    Vehicle:
    2022 Nissan Frontier SV 4X4
    TuwaPro rack, Z1 Offroad stuff, NISMO suspension stuff, FlowmasterFX Extreme exhaust, AIS, OVS, J&L can, other goodies on the way
    Kuul! Anytime to be of service. Thanks for that update. Post results.
     
  10. Jun 10, 2024 at 5:05 PM
    #430
    obgod3

    obgod3 New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2018
    Member:
    #15308
    Messages:
    159
    Gender:
    Male
    NC
    Vehicle:
    2023 Tundra Limited
    Sorry I upset you, was not my intent. We dont control this, I try to keep my BP lower by not worrying about things I dont control. I dont feel hosed, not yet, maybe I will in the future, maybe I wont. I dont think this issue is nearly as simple as it sounds and I bet a full LSS project is going on not a “Kaizen”. :)
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2024 at 5:15 PM
    Tundrastruck91 likes this.
  11. Jun 10, 2024 at 5:19 PM
    #431
    Matt2015Tundra

    Matt2015Tundra New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2022
    Member:
    #81755
    Messages:
    730
    Gender:
    Male
    The fact you typed more text than I care to read is proof you worry about this more than me. Keep up what ever crusade you are on. My life is good even with a truck that might implode tomorrow.
     
  12. Jun 10, 2024 at 5:24 PM
    #432
    Black Wolf

    Black Wolf Bigfoot Hunter, Sasquatch too, but not Yeti

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2014
    Member:
    #378
    Messages:
    40,438
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Matt
    Aurora CO
    Vehicle:
    2022 Nissan Frontier SV 4X4
    TuwaPro rack, Z1 Offroad stuff, NISMO suspension stuff, FlowmasterFX Extreme exhaust, AIS, OVS, J&L can, other goodies on the way
    Hard to argue with your perspective....
     
  13. Jun 10, 2024 at 5:27 PM
    #433
    BoulderGT3

    BoulderGT3 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2023
    Member:
    #95419
    Messages:
    737
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Glen
    Vehicle:
    2023 1794 4X4 BP/Saddle ADV Steps
    Same here. Crusade is a great word. I've been through lemon laws and two sets of end of the earth bearing issues. Turns out, they were not end of the earth at all.
     
    sandiegosteve likes this.
  14. Jun 10, 2024 at 5:34 PM
    #434
    obgod3

    obgod3 New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2018
    Member:
    #15308
    Messages:
    159
    Gender:
    Male
    NC
    Vehicle:
    2023 Tundra Limited
    So as a former Intel guy, assuming you may be also, I agree with dissecting and some interpretation. However, I dont think there are many facts here at all, at least not that we are privy to. I do believe the situation is likely more complicated than stated, it always is. If it is a design flaw that will be interesting to see what they do, the safe bet is this, Toyota has about 30 actuaries, likely from PwC or EY, determining risk right now. Then they will develop a plan based on a solid LSS project and the actuarial data. But we just dont have any real facts yet, even the data contained in this forum is not actionable or accurate to any large degree. But yeh a design flaw will be a bitch ;). I’ll drive mine until I can’t, no one is giving me decent money for it anyway. But Im going to choose to not give two shits because my BP is good right now. :)
     
  15. Jun 10, 2024 at 5:49 PM
    #435
    JohnWhicker

    JohnWhicker New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2023
    Member:
    #105337
    Messages:
    664
    Houston, TX
    Sure, but the EY or PwC memos to the Toyota board won't be public information. Calculating their residual risk will determine the path forward, which the board will eventually approve. If it's a design flaw, it will be a very interesting financial / decision exercise for the C-level executives. They could also involve their insurance carrier if it gets really bad.
     
    obgod3[QUOTED] likes this.
  16. Jun 10, 2024 at 5:57 PM
    #436
    obgod3

    obgod3 New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2018
    Member:
    #15308
    Messages:
    159
    Gender:
    Male
    NC
    Vehicle:
    2023 Tundra Limited
    I agree 100%. I have been part of discussions like that, it will be about dollars.
     
  17. Jun 10, 2024 at 6:16 PM
    #437
    Raging Iron Thunder

    Raging Iron Thunder New Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2023
    Member:
    #97505
    Messages:
    55
    Gender:
    Male
    At this point, a combo of #3 and #7. I already bought a 7 year/140,000km warranty, so am now really glad I purchased that. I made sure to get a slightly earlier oil change done at 8,000km and a second at 12,500km. Next time I do I'll do a blackstone kit on it and we'll see what they find.
     
  18. Jun 10, 2024 at 6:22 PM
    #438
    HighroadTRD

    HighroadTRD New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2023
    Member:
    #89761
    Messages:
    39
    First Name:
    Tim
    Bay Area
    Vehicle:
    23 Tundra Pro Magnetic Grey
    Retrax Bed Cover, RCI SKIDS, RCI Sliders
    Precious cargo.... Im in the same boat, and i love my tundra Pro, I hope they offer a new long block as an option. What they really should do is give us all a like for like trade in on a new model.
     
  19. Jun 10, 2024 at 6:23 PM
    #439
    HighroadTRD

    HighroadTRD New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2023
    Member:
    #89761
    Messages:
    39
    First Name:
    Tim
    Bay Area
    Vehicle:
    23 Tundra Pro Magnetic Grey
    Retrax Bed Cover, RCI SKIDS, RCI Sliders
    Help me out, what is a blackstone kit?
     
  20. Jun 10, 2024 at 6:28 PM
    #440
    40man

    40man New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2023
    Member:
    #100657
    Messages:
    184
  21. Jun 11, 2024 at 4:13 AM
    #441
    BoulderGT3

    BoulderGT3 [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2023
    Member:
    #95419
    Messages:
    737
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Glen
    Vehicle:
    2023 1794 4X4 BP/Saddle ADV Steps
    The threads are a lot to sort through, I'll try to paraphrase- Bearings being consumed in theory will show up in the oil analysis. Silver is an indicator to watch. Could be present in the first change but should decline. In any event, a low or 0 rating is better than a high rating. My personal opinion is that at this point the oil test is probably a waste of time as it's not actionable. You can't go to your service manager and ask for a new motor based on a Blackstone test. The test will either cause comfort or paranoia if you're inclined. Nevertheless, I'm having one run. As far as the test, go online to Blackstone and they will send you a sample kit which is a bottle in a bottle. You fill the white one and send it back in the black one. You can either gather the sample when draining from the bottom or the top. I have a tube and go through the dipstick with a pump. A very clean way to do it and you don't have to be under the vehicle. Hope that helps.

    IMG_6633.HEIC.jpg
    IMG_6634.HEIC.jpg

    IMG_6635.jpg
     
  22. Jun 11, 2024 at 5:33 AM
    #442
    1UP

    1UP Truck Gang

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2020
    Member:
    #53887
    Messages:
    2,306
    Vehicle:
    2019 Red CM TRD sport 4x4
    For those who will be selling in the immediate future, what will you be purchasing/driving instead?
     
    HighroadTRD and Tundrastruck91 like this.
  23. Jun 11, 2024 at 5:38 AM
    #443
    Terndrerrr

    Terndrerrr 936000 miles to go

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2019
    Member:
    #32965
    Messages:
    5,257
    Gender:
    Male
    Music City
    Vehicle:
    6UR-FE
    TRD Fox, RAS, 285/75 DTs, dual battery, SS3 Pro
    Agreed. Speculatively selling trucks that are currently running fine at a loss in a cooled market because it’s definitely a “ticking time bomb” is wild.
    ANYthing else. It’s a ticking time bomb! Nevermind that there are most likely more trucks that have more miles than the average failure point that are just fine.

    A ticking time bomb I tell you!
     
  24. Jun 11, 2024 at 5:41 AM
    #444
    1UP

    1UP Truck Gang

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2020
    Member:
    #53887
    Messages:
    2,306
    Vehicle:
    2019 Red CM TRD sport 4x4
  25. Jun 11, 2024 at 6:13 AM
    #445
    cmiles97

    cmiles97 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2023
    Member:
    #104094
    Messages:
    402
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2018 Toytota Tundra SR5 4x4 XP
    XP package
    I was lucky to find a cream puff 2018 SR5 4x4 with 32,500 miles on it last fall. It now has 39,500. I was specifically looking for a dinosaur 4runner or Tundra, going backwards from a 2022 Ford. I don't think all the electronics and over complication of new vehicles bodes well for longevity thus going less complicated and proven.

    I got a long way to go but I get bored too easily. I am working for a company that provides a truck as part of the compensation package so it will only get weekend miles split between it and a Harley.

    If I had a 3rd Gen it wouldn't get to the failure miles of reported ones before the base warranty expired.
     
  26. Jun 11, 2024 at 6:16 AM
    #446
    paulphilly

    paulphilly New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2017
    Member:
    #9207
    Messages:
    288
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Paul
    Upstate NY
    Vehicle:
    '24 TRD Pro
    Many are now starting to fail at 5k or less. Most recently, a '24 Pro with less than 3k miles, with the same build month as mine 3/24. Yikes :eek:
     
    24_SR likes this.
  27. Jun 11, 2024 at 6:35 AM
    #447
    Terndrerrr

    Terndrerrr 936000 miles to go

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2019
    Member:
    #32965
    Messages:
    5,257
    Gender:
    Male
    Music City
    Vehicle:
    6UR-FE
    TRD Fox, RAS, 285/75 DTs, dual battery, SS3 Pro
    How many more trucks are there built within the recall window that have more miles than the average failure point? I bet it’s a lot more than there are failures.
     
    DogRunner2 and Tundrastruck91 like this.
  28. Jun 11, 2024 at 6:42 AM
    #448
    paulphilly

    paulphilly New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2017
    Member:
    #9207
    Messages:
    288
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Paul
    Upstate NY
    Vehicle:
    '24 TRD Pro
    Possibly, and I hope you're right. But, as the dead horse has been beaten, many factors play in to if/when failure will occur. Those will more than average failure point miles may have less debris than others thus a pending higher mileage failure, or weren't towing, or were driven like Mrs. Daisy, or had frequent oil changes extending the immanent failure date, etc. Hard to say really, but one thing that is evident is multiple post recall production date failures are happening daily it seems and the '23-'24's are both hybrid and non-hybrid. So, all 3rd gen owners are at risk.....only one upstairs friend knows when each engine will implode.
     
    Terndrerrr[QUOTED] likes this.
  29. Jun 11, 2024 at 6:52 AM
    #449
    Terndrerrr

    Terndrerrr 936000 miles to go

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2019
    Member:
    #32965
    Messages:
    5,257
    Gender:
    Male
    Music City
    Vehicle:
    6UR-FE
    TRD Fox, RAS, 285/75 DTs, dual battery, SS3 Pro
    More hyperbole.

    Post failures and dates.

    Or stop saying ridiculous things. :notsure:
     
    22whatwedo and DogRunner2 like this.
  30. Jun 11, 2024 at 6:59 AM
    #450
    SpilledTheSalt

    SpilledTheSalt Fish Lips

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2024
    Member:
    #114433
    Messages:
    88
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Brian
    Oregon
    Vehicle:
    2024 Tundra 4x4 HV Limited TRD
    2" RC Leveling Struts
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Products Discussed in

To Top