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fighting the man

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by Wundra, Jan 20, 2023.

  1. Jan 20, 2023 at 2:32 PM
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    Wundra

    Wundra [OP] New Member

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    Just joined as it appears tundras.com is now where it's at...

    Currently driving a 2021 tundra after retiring a 2008. I loved that 2008 and would have been happier with that same truck brand new. So now I'm doing what I can to get rid of all the tech, nannies, and options that's possible.

    I spent a half hour fixing the settings and turning off everything that I could.

    I value my privacy and want to disconnect from toyota completely. I don't have any subscriptions, but I believe there's some sort of connection:
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    I called toyota and am still trying to understand what's on and what's not. It sounded like the guy I spoke with had never heard of someone asking for this before, but he said I could send in proof of ownership and they'd do something ... I'm not holding my breath.

    So is there a way to essentially unplug the wifi connection? I never want to start the truck and get a message asking if I want to update my entune app again.

    Just to head it off...
    I don't use Sirius
    the maps app
    wifi
    the Toyota OnStar (can't remember the name)
    etc.
     
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  2. Jan 20, 2023 at 2:41 PM
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    Jim LE 1301

    Jim LE 1301 Camaro Lover, SSEM # 11,TTC#179

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  3. Jan 20, 2023 at 2:48 PM
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    Kajunxplorn

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    Welcome
     
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  4. Jan 20, 2023 at 2:59 PM
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    TaquitoBandito

    TaquitoBandito SSEM #91, KitKat Aficionado

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    Welcome from Central Texas. Hopefully you find the answer you are looking for.

    Until then, you can do what I do:

     
  5. Jan 20, 2023 at 3:54 PM
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    2mchfun

    2mchfun Lead foot, left lane, loud stereo

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    Welcome from OKC! Lots of us on the same page:cool:
     
  6. Jan 20, 2023 at 4:03 PM
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    Black@Blue19

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    Came with all the lane departure and that stuff, electric tail gate lock, fog lights, 20s, sprayed on bed liner, tint, cat protector, and that’s about it??:)
    Welcome aboard.,, they already know all they need to know about you.
     
  7. Jan 20, 2023 at 4:12 PM
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    MarkM0369

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    Well, as far as mods go, my first was to put on better tires, my second was to get rid of the Toyota head unit, and put in a kenwood
     
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  8. Jan 20, 2023 at 4:25 PM
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    1UP

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    If you pull the big red wire off the truck battery it should kill the power to your head unit and they can't see you driving.
     
  9. Jan 20, 2023 at 5:28 PM
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    Wundra

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    How about if I close my eyes?
     
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  10. Jan 20, 2023 at 5:36 PM
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    Wundra

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    First few mods were taking off the side steps, cleaning up some badges, leveling kit, bedliner, better tires, ...
     
  11. Jan 20, 2023 at 5:45 PM
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    Wundra

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    Ok, so we can assume that toyota doesn't want to make it too easy so that a thief can't just pull a wire and then the engine dis-abler won't work. But there's got to be a workaround. Where are all the wifi/GPS/hot spot components located?

    There's a box under the front passenger seat that looks a bit like a modem. (I'm not a IT professional though.)
     
  12. Jan 20, 2023 at 5:52 PM
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    Clemsonman14

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    Take a saw to the shark fin on top of your truck. Believe that is where all the gps antennas are
     
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  13. Jan 20, 2023 at 5:54 PM
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    tripleconpanna

    tripleconpanna Just some dude...

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    The shark fin on top of the roof is where all the GPS, etc. antennas are located. There are a few videos floating around the internet where folks have removed them to eliminate 'connectivity'... You may want to search 'tundra or toyota shark fin'; most vehicles (not just Toyotas) have one of these now... However, before you go ripping it off the roof... there are so many computers controlling the vehicle's functions and its systems, that I'd be concerned your truck would start tossing CEL codes and give you functionality issues.

    Also, don't forget these trucks now have a 'black box' of sorts (Event Data Recorder) which is capturing images, conditions, driving habits, etc. and is designed to be used by engineers to analyze and fix issues surrounding events related to the vehicle. This same system can also be accessed by a Toyota dealer or other entity (investigation teams) in the event of an investigation and upon request/subpoena (accident, vehicular homicide, etc.) by various authorities...

    All that being said, as already stated, unless you are already completely 'off the grid' and don't have/drive with a modern cell phone, etc... it's all a moot point.

    I hope you enjoy your new rig and find some balance between your privacy and keeping the main truck systems functioning :thumbsup:
     
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  14. Jan 20, 2023 at 6:10 PM
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    Wundra

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    Sometimes I send my phone on it's own vacation to keep the satellites guessing where I'm at.

    I'm guessing the truck's computer looks for a signal from various locations like the black box, etc. before allowing the vehicle to even start, let alone triggering a CEL. But now you're telling me I need to figure out how to bypass the black box as well as everything else.

    I used to think I was a semi-normal truck owner not wanting all these add-ons, electronics, safety features, and nannies. But as I read forums and reviews I've come to realize that most people these days want all this. I was close to buying a 2022, but that takes it even further.
     
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  15. Jan 20, 2023 at 6:14 PM
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    DarkMint

    DarkMint just gettin by

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    Get a 1st gen.
    Or wrap your shark fin antenna in aluminum foil glued on with some Permatex Ultra Black.
     
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  16. Jan 20, 2023 at 6:35 PM
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    TILLY

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  17. Jan 20, 2023 at 7:05 PM
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    tripleconpanna Just some dude...

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    The 'black box' is pulling data (mostly digital but some imagery) from the vehicle's other computers to register speed, pitch, braking (yes or no), and numerous other driving "behaviors"...

    Unfortunately, as folks want more seamlessness between their phones, their vehicles, their habits, and the rest of their lives they have 'invited' a pathway for the types of things that concern you to be present w/o question and almost on a compulsive level. So, yeah, short of getting a Gen 1 or early Gen 2 Tundra you're probably spinning your wheels (no pun intended) on avoiding most of these things that concern you w/o risk to the rest of the systems...
     
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  18. Jan 20, 2023 at 7:09 PM
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    tripleconpanna

    tripleconpanna Just some dude...

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  19. Jan 21, 2023 at 2:08 AM
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    Jim LE 1301

    Jim LE 1301 Camaro Lover, SSEM # 11,TTC#179

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    :wave:
     
  20. Jan 21, 2023 at 4:18 AM
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  21. Jan 21, 2023 at 4:39 AM
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    Welcome from New Hampshire, congrats on your new truck.
     
  22. Jan 21, 2023 at 4:58 AM
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    PermaFrostTRD

    PermaFrostTRD Tumescent Member

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    Welcome from NNY. Did you buy the truck with cash?

    If not, everything you’re asking to do is already too late. :notsure:
     
  23. Jan 21, 2023 at 8:01 PM
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    My truck is a 2016. I will never buy a newer one than this. My next truck actually might be an early 90's model.
     
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  25. Jan 21, 2023 at 9:06 PM
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    Bakershack

    Bakershack Critical of Noncritical Thinkers

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    Welcome from LA (Lower Alabama)!
     
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    Do you also wear green so you can hide?

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    It won't work, they'll still find you! :rofl:
     
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