Can the stock trd 4x4 off road package suspension be adjsuted for height?

I have a 17 limited with the trd 4x4 off road suspension package. I want to put a bit bigger tires on it and think I might need a slight lift to do so. Maybe its a dumb question (I dont know a whole lot about suspension and off roading) but can the stock suspension that came in this package (I think its blisten) be adjusted for height? If so what are the "settings" it can be adjusted to?

Thanks

 

No none of the OEM Toyota branded Bilstein shocks are adjustable.

You can add a small top spacer that would add about 1 inch ish lift. But you may want more lift or you may want better shocks…

 

I know that a "true lift" (ie shocks etc) would keep everything fine in relation to suspension travel etc...would spacers negatively effect anything during suspension travel (hitting a bump that moves suspension donward, off roading, etc) Im not trying to throw too much money into a lift...but I also dont want to save a few bucks now only to spend a lot later due to something happened because I went the "cheap" route...

 

How big of a tire do you want? Figure that out first. The wheel well is pretty big and stock wheels will clear a little more

 

My personal opinion in regards to spacers is never to go above a 1/2 inch spacer (1 inch lift; 1:2 lift ratio 1 inch spacer equals 2 inch lift).

I have used 1/2 (.50) inch spacer on a 1st Gen Tacoma, a 2nd Gen Tacoma, a 5th Gen 4Runner, and my current Tundra. Well over a 100k of use with ZERO problems. And outside of the Tundra everyone of those trucks except y the Tundra were used to commute in NYC which is arguably tougher on these trucks then some off-road trails.

If you want more than one inch of lift I would strongly recommend an adjustable shock.

I currently run the Coachbuilder spacers on my Tundra and I swear by their products and their alignment specs. I absolutely love my current setup and have no desire to get an adjustable shock until OEM wears out.

 

Not huge, definitely a little wider...trying to go with a "muscle truck" kind look....I was thinking of 295/65/r18. I want to "fill" the wheel well a little more. I want to wrap them around a rim that gives an old school muscle vibe

 

So , just making sure Im clear..a 1/2 inch spacer would give me a 1 inch lift. Are you on stock tires or did you put bigget tires on?

 

This.
Second, figure out what kind of off roading you’ll be doing. Parking on some grass? Or hitting whoops at 55+ ?

Lots of knowledge on this forum about suspension. Personally I know very little about it, but enough to know to get new coil overs when I wanted to lift and fit some larger tires. I was very happy with that setup. I wasn’t hitting trails hard or even “over landing” but I knew my inexperience could lend itself to hitting something on a Forrest/ camp road incorrectly and snapping the shock tube if I went with spacers. The extra $400-800 was worth the peace of mind for me.

 

Mind if I ask what set up you have?

 

Traded that truck (2014 DC) for my current one (2019 CM). But it was fox 2.0 coilovers set at 2” (level). I think you can find them for about $450-500 assembled/setup per coil over. I fit 295/70r18 tires on the OEM TRD off road wheels. No wheel spacers but my UCA clearance was VERY tight and I rubbed on the front sway bar at full lock. The tire was one of the widest/meatiest all terrain in that 295/70 size class (Mickey Thompson Baja boss AT).

 

Do you think wheel spacers would have stopped the rub?

 

Yes, I am on stock size tires. As stated previously tire size will determine how much lift is needed.

 

295/65 is not much bigger than stock. Pick out your wheels too. You’d be amazed how much meatier even the stock size tire looks with a 9 inch wide rim vs stock

 

295/70s require trimming up front to fit. They rub, even on trucks with a 2" lift like the stock TRD Pro. I would think 295/65s would rub as well because they're the same width. Might not as bad though because they're a smaller diameter.

You can fill the wheel wells out a bit more with a tire that will fit with no issues. 275/70 doesn't quite have the width look you want, but it also doesn't have any fitment issues at all. Quoting myself from a different thread here:

 

Lift height has absolutely nothing to do with fitting larger tires. Because of how IFS lifts work, if the tire doesn't fit at stock height, it won't fit with a lift. Because the moment you run over a curb, a rock, a log, a rut in a fire road, etc.. Your tire is going to stuff back up into the wheel well and be at or below stock ride height anyway.

The only way that lift height will allow you to fit a larger tire is if you do either a solid axle swap, or do one of those 6in+ lifts that require cutting out and replacing cross member which relocate the mounting points of the suspension arms.

 

I think the rim is gonna be the hardest part. Like I said Im going for a muscle truck vibe. I havent made any phone calls but I browsed around on American Racing and it looks like some of the ones I like dont match up to the tire sizes I was putting in. I saw some mickey thompsons AT on a tundra wearing 295/60/r20 that looked good...I fiqure 295/65/r18 gives me a little taller and a good bit wider and I only lose 19 revs, I could go 295/70/r18 but then I would lose 40 revs(not the end of the world tho).

So, if Im understanding you right, if I do say a 3inch lift and put larger tires, then put larger then stock tires on it I risk damage if I go over something and the suspension travels downward?

 

On the sway bar yea, but would have likely created different rub spots (front bumper area including the front fender liner for starters). I removed the small mud flap on the front of the front wheel well too (otherwise that would have also rubbed with my setup).

 

Okay…

I have installed lifts that have successfully stopped tire rub under heavy and normal compression. Admittedly not on my Tundra but other Toyota IFS.

I do understand what your saying because as you lift an IFS it brings the wheels inward.

However I still stand by one is determined by the other. I am NOT saying it’s the only factor but it’s an important part of the equation. I see that OP has a size in mind and that will allow him to get a range of lift (rim specs in this case as well) to suit his wants by other forum members insight.

 

295/60/20 is probably taller than 295/65/18. Same width.

Look up pictures of tundras with stock tires on 18x9 rims

 

cherry-picking this part of your post here because I think you’re misunderstanding tire sizing and what the measurements mean.

295/65r18 means:

295mm tire width. When you’re looking from the front of your truck, what you see of your tire is its width.

65 is the sidewall aspect ratio (in this case 65% of 295mm on both “sides” of your 18” wheel diameter. This gives you an idea of how “tall” your tire will be. How much of the wheel well it will fill when looking at the side of your truck.

r18 is the wheel size diameter. In this case 18”

so a 295/65r18 may be a little “taller” than the 295/60r20 (I don’t know specifically- you just have to math) it is precisely the same width, not wider.

Go here- this site is very helpful
https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc

 

OP scroll down through this thread and it addresses max tire sizes for stock and varying lifts.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/official-tundra-wheel-and-tire-setups-pics-and-info.95/#post-858

 

I do understand that. What I was saying was the first will have a much less revs then the second, in refernce to how it affects the rear end gearing. Sorry if I wasnt clear. When I said " a little tallerr and bit more wider" I meant then what I have now (275/65/r18) not on what he had. I used this to compare them to what I have now i dont want to lose to much get up and go

 

Some helpful links here op. Find some examples of what you like. Lift/tires/wheel choices all go hand in hand with each other. The width and the offset of the wheel also plays a big role in what can fit and the final appearance. Our trucks can take anywhere from a 17in rim which gives you more sidewall to 20in and more giving a totally different look. Let's define 'muscle truck look' and what that means to you and go from there. What your usage will be as stated above will also help define what lift options are best. https://www.tundras.com/threads/official-tundra-wheel-and-tire-setups-pics-and-info.95/

 

Gotcha. Weight will be the biggest factor in you relative loss of “get up & go”. Stock tires (p275/65r18) are pretty close to 40lbs each (or less). Going to an E rated 275/70r18 you’re adding almost 20lbs per corner depending on manufacture and type (aggressiveness) of the tire. You’ll notice it, but get used to it. It shouldn’t have any negative impact long term on drivetrain

 

If it fits your eye, consider a 17in rim. You can get a 'beefier' tire that carries the same overall height on a smaller wheel.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/anyone-running-17-rims-on-your-2-5-gen.23617/

This is a 17 rim with about 2 inches loft in the front on 305 70 17

 

Ok, so muscle truck: muscle car style rims (maybe some torque thrusts, ralleys, etc), loud powerful dual exhaust, plenty of power(which is why I mentioned revs in an early posts, I dont want to lose too much gearing). I opted for a double cab over quad cab simply due to styling (I would have went short over standard bed if I could have, I just needed a little bit more bed then the short offered). In the future Im gonna slap a supercharger (probably a couple years) on it and a couple other go fast parts. I also plan to replace the chrome badging with black, and replace the chrome grill with either black or color match. In addition I plan to get a custom "iForce 346" badge to replace the 5.7 badge, and paint the engine cover etc

 

All a 3in lift does is push the tire down 3in within the normal range of suspension travel. The moment you go over a rock, curb, rut, or hit a speed bump at speed, or whatever, your tire will travel back up that same 3in, if not more, and be right back at stock height. Meaning, your tire HAS to be able to fit at stock height no matter what.

 

That isn't what I am talking about. Yes, a lift does pull the tire under the truck a slight amount. But generally, that doesn't cause clearance issues, usually.

What I am talking about is the tire moving through the range of suspension travel. If your larger tire rubs when at stock ride height and lifting the truck stops the rubbing, that tire WILL rub when the suspension is compressed. Because the suspension lift doesn't actually change the position of the suspension, it just pushes the resting pioint of the stock suspension travel downwards a bit.