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Buyer's remorse? No more...

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by CallsignKodiak, Aug 4, 2021.

  1. Oct 2, 2021 at 4:41 PM
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    Yep, and I am sure many other Toyota owners with newer tech (last refreshed Camary etc...) would say the same as you.

    It's an ignorant train of thought held by many on this site ONLY because this generation of trucks has an interior inferior to a Corolla. Are these crusty old men also speaking to the future 3rd gen buyers who purchase a well spec'd interior "non work" truck?

    Tech does not equal crap. Poor quality equals crap. A new IPhone comes out every year and I'm sure a healthy majority on here always upgrade. Ya know what I mean?
     
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  2. Oct 3, 2021 at 5:22 AM
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    Man, you must be in a different part of Iowa then me. Last year sucked with the snow and all the ice that stuck around forever. Hell, I was ice fishing on 15" of ice at lake Mcbride.
     
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    I feel it’s important to clarify the differences in technology. I am one of those that hold the “ignorant” train of though. Technology is amazing and I love and appreciate its advancements. Such as in medical science and vehicle safety which I applaud. But then there is eye candy technology. IE example yes many people do up grade to a new IPhone every model however what is so groundbreaking about the newer model? Typically not much. Same goes for a lot of eye candy technology in vehicles. Larger information screens, panoramic sun roofs, digital this digital that and so and so forth. Bluetooth is a great example of a good technology that should be ever expanded. Why…because it has potential to save lives. Having a screen in my pickup that rivals the quality of my 65 inch Samsung 9 series does nothing for me. And nothing for the driving experience…after all you eyes should be on the road.

    The domestic 3 love throwing out new technology constantly and quite frankly their buyers pay the price. Because rushed technology to meet market demand does “equal crap”. Toyota has historically been the slowest to adapt to the eye candy technology and I believe many here do appreciate that because we don’t become the testers as consumers.
     
  4. Oct 3, 2021 at 6:13 AM
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    Yes...very much this.
     
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    You realize there are plenty of us who owned an F150, and many with the 5.0?

    I'll admit the 2020 5.0 might have more payload, but I have an almost impossible time believing you towed that much (if at all) with your 2020. You state it 'towed better' than the Tundra. On paper the Tundra 'only' had 20 more HP and 16 more FT-LB of TQ than my F150 did, but where the 5.7 made its torque, and the 4.30 gears, and even the heavier framed truck meant it towed the same things FAR easier than my F150 ever did - and this isn't just my opinion. Friends of mine who bleed Chevy admitted the Tundra towed far smoother and more in control than *THEIR* trucks.

    And that's not counting the multiple issues (media system; valve body separator plate; door issues, etc.) I had with my F150.

    BTW, driving around town, my Tundra gets 16.5 MPG. On the highway I routinely get 17.5-18 MPG.
     
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    1. Panoramic sunroof is not "tech". It's a luxury feature. Same as leather, wood trim, color stitching.

    2. Cutting edge life saving tech. Even by your standard of embracing and utilizing life saving tech, these nannies are not adopted by Toyota until years later, and even now they aren't on the same level as others (night vision detection as one example.).

    3. Innovation keeps you relevant. You fault the big 3 for pushing boundaries and taking chances. I fault Toyota for taking the user for granted and not trying to continue to improve to earn repeat business. If it wasn't for the big 3 Toyota would still be selling you a dial am/fm radio and calling it "premium". For fawk sake, they still package cd players in their new entertainment systems.

    You and many others like it on the simple side. That's fine, and there is a level of simple I also embrace, like the BMW M2 for example. But big touch screens are not "new". High definition cameras with panoramic views are not "new".

    Wanting to enhance the drivers experience should be embraced. IMO your "new tech" mind set would never of fostered a business willing to develop things like ABS, power windows, hybrid tech, AWD and so on. At the time that was all complicated integral systems that just introduce more areas that can fail.

    Just go back a few years on this site (and even today) and see all the crusty comments about hybrid and turbo engines. Ford was/is a favorite to bash in this area.
     
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  7. Oct 3, 2021 at 6:55 AM
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    Absolutely none of this is compelling to me in anyway, shape or form.
     
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    That "poodaboo poodaboo" door chime on Fords drives me totally, stark raving nuts...
     
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    1. Point taken and understood

    2. Ask the individual that passed away in a Tesla while using the auto pilot or whatever you call it. Ask the Jeep owner that was crushed while the truck was in park. There’s a ton of great technology HOWEVER IMHO it’s not ready for mainstream use yet. You simply cannot rush advanced technology like that PERIOD.

    3. I don’t fault them for pushing boundaries or taking risks in any way…. I fault them for playing the “Jones” game to one up each other without some type of longer term testing. When lives are at stake you push boundaries to preserve life…auto manufacturers face nothing of the sort so why be so extreme?

    **EDIT** Turbos in general require more maintenance and GENERALLY speaking does not outlast motors.
     
  10. Oct 3, 2021 at 7:24 AM
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    1. :cheers:

    2. Point taken. I think Tesla is a little out there at times. Like their new Yoke styled steering wheel.

    3. I can see your point here. I am sure their is a compromise between our two beliefs that probably would work better.

    Agreed 100% about the Turbos.
     
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  11. Oct 3, 2021 at 7:32 AM
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    This is a good point. I just read an article the other day about how *so* many 5G phones get crap reception. Why?

    Simple. The changeover expectations from 4G to '5Ge' (lol) to 5G are *FAR* higher than were those of 3G to 4G. As such, they flat can't update the towers as fast as new phones come out. 2 years or so ago, 5G was the new coming hotness. Now we're already talking about connecting cell phones to satellite comms.

    True, I get that nice radio screens and many other advancements in technology are ready for prime time...but the law of unintended consequences and Murphy's Law are always in effect. Additionally, one can NEVER underestimate the ability of mankind to take something intended for good and screw it up. Facebook is an EXCELLENT example of this.

    I'm an IT guy. I *LOVE* technology. But playing oneupsmanship with technology in vehicles doesn't equate to the Big 3 being 'better' than Toyota, and NO tech should be rushed to market, especially in a vehicle, just to keep up. My F150 could tow more than my Tundra...but it was squirrelly as hell while doing it.
     
  12. Oct 3, 2021 at 7:59 AM
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    @Kung post: 2436259, member: 43761"]This is a good point. I just read an article the other day about how *so* many 5G phones get crap reception. Why?

    Simple. The changeover expectations from 4G to '5Ge' (lol) to 5G are *FAR* higher than were those of 3G to 4G. As such, they flat can't update the towers as fast as new phones come out. 2 years or so ago, 5G was the new coming hotness. Now we're already talking about connecting cell phones to satellite comms. That's not the tech failing or the techs fault. It's an implementation problem. 2 different things IMO. 5G is solid, the tech works.

    True, I get that nice radio screens and many other advancements in technology are ready for prime time...but the law of unintended consequences and Murphy's Law are always in effect. Additionally, one can NEVER underestimate the ability of mankind to take something intended for good and screw it up. Facebook is an EXCELLENT example of this.
    What does this paragraph even mean? You are drawing parallels to a toilet bowl social media platform as a reason not to implement 360 high definition cameras, bigger screens, self folding powered side mirrors?

    I'm an IT guy. I *LOVE* technology. But playing oneupsmanship with technology in vehicles doesn't equate to the Big 3 being 'better' than Toyota, and NO tech should be rushed to market, especially in a vehicle, just to keep up. My F150 could tow more than my Tundra...but it was squirrelly as hell while doing it. I think your taking some liberties here with your assumptions that the things released are rushed. However I wholeheartedly agree that it always should be tested vigorously.

    My questions/comments above are in bold.
     
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  13. Oct 4, 2021 at 8:26 AM
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    You and I understand that; but the average consumer does not. I mean, look @ the number of people raging against how bad 5G sux because "I can't get reception anymore." the issue isn't 5G; the issue is that the rate of implementation of 5G isn't the same as the rate of production of the phones, and therefore consumers are pissed at both.

    As a reason not to implement those things? Not necessarily. But as a reason to possibly slow down implementation of certain things? You bet I am. LOL I'm a big fan of tech....but I've seen some of the most ridiculous reasoning used for or against buying vehicles. Most people, it would seem, either buy vehicles a) to get away from other vehicles or b) because of certain features. One of my friends bought a Ram 1500 several months ago; according to him, the deciding factor was the huge media screen. *scratches head* It's been in the shop 4 times that I know of (2 for the screen itself). And I've been in vehicles with 2 of my friends and have *almost* been involved in accidents because they were busy playing around with their screens.

    Back in 2013 or 2014, I believe it was, the F150 took a huge reliability hit. Having just bought one @ the time, I thought "OMG....I'm in trouble." Once I read up on the issue, however, it turned out that almost the entire driver of the reported reliability hit was the Sync implementation. I totally agree that it was crap (lol) but how well the Sync implementation worked had no bearing on the reliability of the truck itself, towing/payload capability, etc.

    I get that this is a far bigger issue with the person than with the tech...but the vehicle industry is implementing MANY things (parking assist; backup cameras; trailer backup assist; etc.) to either combat issues ultimately related to operator error, OR to increasingly satisfy niche desires. And that leads me to my point below...

    Honestly, I'm not entirely sure that we're too far apart on opinion here, though I could be wrong. I'm not trying to say that things are rushed, so much that I'm trying to say that often secondary features are elevated to the point where they're advertised as reasons why one *should* buy this truck or why some other truck *should* have this or that - and people buy into it.

    If you read my post above, you saw that it was, in essence, a response to Oey12 saying that new stuff is constantly thrown out into the market...and while I'm all about increased towing capability, safety, etc., the vast majority of people (that I know - and I understand this is 100% anecdotal) don't usually purchase vehicles based primarily on towing capability, safety features, etc. They buy what they 'want' and that's usually heavily influenced by features.

    I believe that if the big 3 slowed down introduction/implementation of new products/technology just a bit, and spent a bit more on testing (to include how their features are used, if they're used properly, if they cause behaviors that aren't beneficial), it would likely increase reliability, decrease problems with the new tech, etc. and benefit the industry as a whole.
     
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    Too many, but not enough....
    Wannabe old crusty guy in the making here, just to throw it out there, im 36 and was a little salty that i missed the CD player in the tundra by 1 year. What am i supposed to do with my CD collection now? The android auto is cool i guess buy it would have been easy to include the CD player as well, seeing as how it was available for all those years. I would bitch about all my tapes being useless now too since i sold my ranger a couple years ago, but i am being a little more reasonable these days.
     
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    The CD player being gone wouldn't bug me so much if either:

    A. I could plug in my iPod Classic and listen to it, or
    B. The head unit was compatible with a thumb drive that's big enough to hold all my music.

    As it is, I'm driving around with half dozen small thumb drives in my centre console that contain less than a quarter of my music library.
     
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    yeah i tried the thumb drive thing too and it was a pain the A. I ended up just using youtube music app that lets you DL anything you want and its available instantly, best part is since its downloaded, you can listen to it when your anywhere without signal as well.
     
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    I got on the F-150 bandwagon in 2012 when I bought my first one, a fully loaded FX4 crew cab and thought I had the best of the best. Well it became my buyers remorse. From the first month I had issues with the shit, stock Perelli scorpion tires it came with that cupped and had to be replaced. Then, the alignment could never be corrected, the transmission was always jumpy and seemed to be rough in finding gears. The steering system sucked, and it was rusting underneath significantly within the 5 years I owned and tried to deal with this truck. In addition, Ford service was useless as well as corporate in handling the above issues. Their customer service is the worst. I decided to test drive the Ram 1500 and was going to test drive the Chevy Silverado, but decided to try the Tundra first. Well, I never made it to the Silverado. I now have my 2017 Tundra for 4 years and it’s the best truck I ever owned and I have driven trucks of all makes and models for 20 years.
     
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    So I think I can provide some feedback regarding the two trucks. At the moment I have a 21 f150 ecoboost and a 21 tundra. I have also owned a ford superduty. I think the issue with ford is that some models and years really made a bad name for it’s products. I think the f150 is a much better truck when it comes to driving, technology/ weight/ mpg. I was getting around 21-22mpg. It’s an all aluminum body so rust is not a concern. The ecoboost is an absolute monster. Now I would not own a f150 out of a warranty, I also would not own a tundra out of warranty. I am the type of person that does not keep vehicles for a long time, hoping to change that though with this tundra. At the end of the day these are all machines and things can happen at anytime. I had a friend with a newer land cruiser need a motor after he had engine problems within a year of purchase. I will say that Toyota makes the most dependable product on the market. If I was buying to keep a truck for many years I would buy a Toyota. Hope this helps.
     
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    Sounds like my tundra, I’m on 3rd set of tires after the 1st (BFG) wouldn’t stay balanced, 2nd set (Continental) wore fast and uneven after 30K miles, on 3rd now (Cooper) and even though I get tires rotated religiously at 5K they are burning up on outside edges. Have owned this truck since new 2018 and now have 59K miles. I have had it aligned 7 times. The best part is, after all of the wheel/tire balancing and alignments, no matter what tire, I get the awesome steering wheel shake between 55-70MPH.
     
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    Yeah, no truck is perfect for sure. I just have had better luck and better performance so far from the Tundra.
     
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    What does that even mean "...for 5 of the longest years of my life"?

    Obviously it's a backhanded slap at Tundra, but with no issues cited...it's meaningless.

    But, since you set THAT bar, having owned Ford, Ram, Nissan, and GMC trucks, they all sucked. With Ford sucking the most and Nissan sucking the least.

    Looks like the troll was last online September 26th...so he still lurks the Tundra forum.
     
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    I am going to jump in and add my $.02 here.

    I just traded a 2020 F150 XLT FX4 5.0 liter in for a 2019 Tundra SR5 Uggrd Pkg. I might be nuts and I definitely lost some equity in the trade but Ford just let me down on their quality and service. My experience with a 2020 Ford doesn't mean they are all junk, but I personally felt the quality and reliability wasn't there. My Ford had a clunk in the rear end that I suspect was the C-clip in the rear axle and out of spec. Ford called it normal and tired replacing the rear leaf springs, the rear axle and some other stuff with no success. This was on a truck with less than 10K miles on it and I was PO'd for what I paid for it. The truck also had an interior that rattled from all the cheap plastic in the center console. I keep adding things to the Ford complaint list including the 10 speed being clunky as well. Ford also thinks highly of their product and charges a premium! In looking under and around the Tundra I think they are just built better even if they lack all the bells and whistles the Ford has.
     
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