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Big Brake Kits

Discussion in '2nd Gen Tundras (2007-2013)' started by sakfishmaster, Jun 13, 2017.

  1. Jun 13, 2017 at 6:00 PM
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    I'm looking for some help and advice.
    I do quite a bit of towing and at times I feel that I need more stopping power. It has been suggested that I replace the current rotors and pads with some higher performing parts but I am unconvinced but I am open to hear whether any of you have had any success with this choice.
    I am leaning towards a big brake kit but even those come with choices, whether to go with the TRD kit or one from StopTech which seem to have a bigger rotor and a choice between 4 and 6 pot calipers.
    Anyone been there and done that and what were the results?
     
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    What are you towing Steve? Brakes adjusted on on the trailer?
     
  4. Jun 13, 2017 at 6:28 PM
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    I am towing a 26ft center console fishing boat with two outboard engines. I don't know the all up weight but the trailer is rated for 10,000lbs. The trailer has hydraulic surge brakes and discs on all four wheels. The system was overhauled and just about everything was replaced about this time last year.
     
  5. Jun 13, 2017 at 6:35 PM
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    I would defiantly find out what your loaded weight is the next time you go out. Start there.

    Personally, I was never unsatisfied with the Tundra Brakes, they are actually very good 4 piston calipers.

    For me, I would look into some Centric Premium Rotors and some good pads designed for towing. However, if you still do not feel that your braking system will be up to par, you have options. Let me get off the Mac and on my iPhone to post some pictures of what my friend just did.
     
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    Calibrated Power 5 Tune pack, Allison 1000 tune, PPE deep trans pan, Cold/Hot CAC pipes, Banks CAI, PCV reroute, resonator delete, S&B 62 gal fuel tank, B&W GN hitch
    So my buddy wasn't happy with his Ford F-250 brakes, so he did a lot of research and went with Wilwood big brake kit.

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    These 6 piston calipers/rotors are just as big as my old Grand Sport Corvette.

    You are pretty much tapped out on the truck, so I'm glad to see you upgrading the most important part.
     
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  7. Jun 13, 2017 at 6:59 PM
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    Thanks for the advice. I had been very happy with the Tundra brakes until I got this larger boat.
    From what I have been able to see on the internet, Wilwood does not do a kit for the Tundra so it looks like the equivalent will be the StopTech TR 380, a 380mm disc with a 6 piston caliper.
     
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    Can't go wrong there.

    Wallet lighter....engaged!!! Lol
     
  9. Jun 14, 2017 at 10:00 PM
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    Im in the market for a brake upgrade as well.

    I went to the Wildwood site and nothing for Toyota applications unfortunately. :mad:

    Not much out there except slotted and drilled rotors and pads so far. Price on the TRD's for the fronts only is right at 24 hundo! OUCH! I will just paint my stock calipers high temp rattle can red.

    I agree that the stock calipers and rotors are good engineering and are pretty good but I will see what I can do to get a little bit more and a lot less expensive.

    I think that DAMN GOOD TRAILER BRAKES along with some upper end front end pads and maybe some slotted / drilled rotors down the road is the way that I am going to go.

    Im going to start with the trailer dialed and set to pretty hard braking along with a my nicer controller and see how things go. Front end pads will be next if they are not all there. The life time Napa pads have ALWAYS HELD UP on my Tacos so I will start there. Nice upper end pads on the trailer are also something to consider spending money on.

    I can keep replacing "Life Time Waranty" pads for way less then $2400.00!

    If anyone has tried these Power Stops let me know what you think.

    https://www.etrailer.com/multi-prod...dra&hhyear=2013&vehicleid=201333034&hunter=bc

    https://www.amazon.com/Power-Stop-E...02192&sr=8-1&keywords=toyota+tundra+brake+kit



    http://trdparts4u.toyotaofdallas.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=290523
     
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  10. Jun 15, 2017 at 3:22 AM
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    The big brake kit that I found is from S.O.S. Performance and includes bigger front and rear rotors, and the biggest and baddest have 6 piston calipers up front and 4 piston at the rear. This also means adding a 20" spare.
    These can be bought as a complete kit or as front and rear sets. These are expensive, just a little less than the TRD kit. http://sosperformance.com/t/stoptech I spoke with Tom there yesterday and he was most helpful.
    If/when I go ahead I'll post pictures and let everyone know how they perform.
     
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    Hope you always wear your seatbelt. You stab those brakes, your head is gonna hurt. :D
     
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    I just adjusted my TT brakes, and these shoes are about gone. I have 6 lug axles and will see about getting bigger drum brakes to help aid in stopping.

    Personally, as a trailer manufacturer one might think that installing the biggest and baddest shoes available would be a good idea. On my flatbed trailer it has 12x3" brake shoes and they are amazing.
     
  13. Jun 15, 2017 at 5:01 AM
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    I've recently gone through this brake game on my hobby car... the things i learned after a 'lot' of research were that most of the time, the tires are the issue in terms of stopping quickly. Our stock brakes should be able to trigger the abs pretty efficiently - once you've stopped the wheel, you've already applied too much force. So... following on from that, I wanted more 'bite' from my pads on my project, i wanted them to grab rather than having to apply moderate pressure to get them to make a difference - to get that, i changed pads to EBC yellows. I was skeptical at first, i thought most pads were pretty much the same. Nope nope and nope. Pads made a ton of difference to the initial feel, pedal is now much more sensitive which i like.

    Now.. if i was going to go into autocross, I'd want the larger rotors & calipers - I believe they're more to dissipate heat to prevent fade. That may well be what you need for towing since I presume you're generating a lot of heat under sustained/prolonged/frequent braking events.

    So, how does my rambling help... I think, unless your braking issues are being caused by brake fade, dropping multiple thousands on a wilwood set up or similar may not make as much difference as you wanted and the cheaper option of upgrading the pads may be just the ticket.
     
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    I agree,

    "pads, pads, pads"


    I will get the expensive / Life Time pads from Napa and see if they last for ever on the Tundra. Will throw a set on and see what I get.
     
  15. Oct 25, 2017 at 10:20 AM
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    I put these on my 2008 Crewmax because I was pulling a trailer from Seattle to Boston that weighed 12k lbs:

    Power Stop K2813-36 Front & Rear Z36 Truck and Tow Brake Kit
    www.amazon.com/dp/B00GNBGNBA

    I posted about it in one of the towing threads so I'll be breif here. My 22' enclosed trailer had good trailer brakes, but I was overloaded and worried about brake fade crossing the Cascades and the Rockies.

    A friend who owns a racing school told me the only real purpose of drilled and slotted rotors is to cool them durring heavy repeated braking. So in this kit the additional braking force is more related to the better brake pad compound than the rotors.

    They're quiet and I had no brake fade durring the entire trip.

    I don't know if it's an option for you, but electric trailer brakes and a brake controller would probably give you more predictable/adjustable brake performance than the surge brakes. That coupled with better rotors and pads would probably be a night & day difference without having to increase rotor diameter and upgrade calipers and pads.

    I couldn't be more pleased with my setup.b5febf9db73721d6a00000ce876be1e5_2dd98c645122891630f23fcf12ef33879f76f5a8.jpg

    For a size comparison these are 20" wheels.
    This is one of the rear rotors:
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    The is one of the front rotors:e472986f5b1fa48d28558557ed18d14f_f89c30f5da4d8283e99817488cc2ff8e9cf60abc.jpg
     
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