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Anyone running the stage1 blower kit from harrop?

Discussion in 'Performance and Tuning' started by Davetheplumber321, Mar 18, 2021.

  1. Oct 11, 2021 at 2:24 PM
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    I have 30k miles on it and it does not burn any oil
     
  3. Oct 12, 2021 at 3:28 AM
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    In my experience the oil becomes visibly dirty right after 200 gallons of consumed fuel. Your mileage may vary, obviously. It’s super easy to vacuum extract oil through the dipstick tube and refill.
     
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    I'm now checking with Harrop.

    I have a gut feeling only the 18 & 19's are tunable. 20 & 21 are a different encryption.

    we'll see.
     
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  5. Oct 12, 2021 at 4:41 AM
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    Interesting. so about 3k miles?

    I have tested my 06 sequoia, 15 4runner, 18 highlander. & 11 LS460L all had a greater than 2.8 TBN after 5000 miles & a clean bill of health

    Toyotas, in my little world, are very easy on motor oil. especially the sequoia - it's tbn could easily go 10k.

    however....I change @ 5k. because.

    I used M1 for the longest...then we got a Costco. $25 for 10 quarts of Warren Dist oil is nice. it has returned very similar oil tests.

    Now that I use forced induction....I'll test the Tundra next oil change & report back.
     
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    I see that DAP offers remote tuning. Have you looked into them?
     
  7. Oct 12, 2021 at 6:16 AM
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    I sent an email to inquire about if they do but I’m still waiting on a response. Most people seem to say that he doesn’t tune supercharged trucks remote despite what his website says so I don’t know what to believe.
     
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    shit fire!

    Harrop just confirmed the tuning for 19-21 ur engine.

    hold my wallet!
     
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  9. Oct 12, 2021 at 7:51 AM
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  10. Oct 12, 2021 at 8:01 AM
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    So is it your understanding that D3 has their own tuning software and they don’t use HP tuners, VF tuner, or something else like that?
     
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    Chris Mentrup, Harrop ops mgr said - "I can confirm D3 has begun defining tuning access to 19-21 3ur. Feel free to reach out to them regarding tuning."

    whatever software they are using, I have no idea. I'm going by there this week.

    this is their solution
    https://d3performance.net/index.php/product/tundra-2018-performance-tuner/

    1. I don't want to be the guinea pig.
    2. I trust HPTuners, so.....
    3. I'm not in a giant rush - as this is my daily driver.


    I think this news has something to do with the recent TSB on the 20-21's. we'll see.

    I really like the way Stage 1 behaves. If I could simply get more of the same, I'll do it. more is better.
     
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  12. Oct 12, 2021 at 11:49 AM
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    My tuner should be here next week, they mentioned they will have a tune for me with my current mods, will report back and do a vbox comparison, this seals the deal that TRX is not going to be on the list.
     
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    I wonder what they charge to do a retune for you if you install additional mods…such as a supercharger. I really like the looks of their plug in tool there with the touch screen. It looks like it makes it super easy to flash the tune and also monitor lots of parameters aside from that. I flashed my old truck using orangevirus software and it was ok, but not that easy for someone who isn’t computer savvy.
     
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    Good question, I'll ask and find out.
     
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    Just wanted to mention that I did hear back from DAP and a remote SC tune is an option for up to 2018. (bigger injectors are required). Also worth noting is he said that the stock Intake with an AFE drop in filter is great for stage 2, and also stated that doing the SABM to said stock air box is better than any of the aftermarket intakes at a fraction of the price. This flies in the face of Stangman’s issue of not having enough air on the stock intake, DAP would know so that tuner may be coming to the wrong conclusion just from Inexperience. I’ll probably be going the DAP route in the near future, although expensive. That said I’m interested in hearing more about this D3 tuning option as well.
     
  16. Oct 12, 2021 at 4:19 PM
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    Following. Not many Tundra reviews on D3 (most seem to be Bullydog which I have had but it wasn’t anything special or DAP).
     
  17. Oct 13, 2021 at 3:38 AM
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    Let's ruminate on something.....

    Let's say I get a "correct & safe" tune to 500whp. ~600hp @ crank.

    I promise I won't do long heat inducing pulls longer than say...10 seconds.

    What parts are MOST apt to fail?

    my guess is ring gap will be the main culprit. assuming you stay on the pedal long enough to produce that much heat in the cylinder.

    sidebar open
    but look at this mess..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr1LUnFh8wA&ab_channel=IDoCars

    that block over heated and no ring issues. albeit NA.
    sidebar closed

    However....If it's tuned to mid 11's on A/F ratio under heavy load , is that a genuine concern?



    oiling does not appear to be an issue if you keep the oil nicely changed & filled.

    anyway - orig question stands......what part will probably fail first?
     
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    The engine teardown was a great find. Too bad he couldn't manually turn it over, that would have been interesting to see.
     
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    Just speculating here, but your next culprit without lowering the compression ratio (10.2) and upping the boost could be the detonation resistance even on 93 octane, e.g. ringlands and pistons will likely suffer. Option 1 - keep the stock internals and switch to E85, option 2 - forged bottom with lowered compression.
     
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    I have a tough decision to make now. I can get a DAP remote tune for 1100 bucks, or I can use a local tuner (still an hour drive) with Toyota experience, but not tundra experience. For the local tune I know I’d have to buy 4 HPtuner credits which I think is $200, plus the dyno tuning at $220/hr. Given the nuances of tuning these engines I just don’t know what to do. On one hand it’s nice having DAP who is an experienced tundra tuner handle it, and on the other I’d love to have the before and after dyno numbers and someone local that can address any issues that arise immediately. I’m guessing the price will come out to be similar, but I will probably miss some income if I want to be present for the dyno tune. If anyone has thoughts I’d love to hear opinions.
     
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    I would go with the local guy. No remote tune will ever be as good as a dyno tune, plus if there's issues then dude is nearby to fix it and help problem solve. The other benefit is if local dude is doing it with HPT then you can adjust the tune yourself down the line (or even start with doing it yourself). Though there is merit with DAP since he knows Tundras, but that seems like a one and done type of thing and if I've learned anything that's never the case with tuning :D
     
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    Thanks for the input, I do agree with all of your points! With the remote tune, I asked about the process and essentially I’d be sent a safe base tune to do some data logging. I would then send the logs back to him and he would make revisions to the tune and so on until it is dialed in. It would likely take multiple revisions and logs to get the tune spot on. At the end of the day though I would still find myself wondering what numbers I’m laying down. I do have a dyno shop 15 minutes away that I’m not sure I trust to do the tune, but they would charge me a relatively small fee for some dyno runs to see where I’m at. Luckily I don’t have to decide right away.
     
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    thank you

    thank you. that's the kinda food I need for thought.
     
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    I recall there's a member here on harrops and vftuner , he had various fuel system upgrade and was hitting high 500whp with stock bottom end, Colorado blue or something was the username.

    Shouldn't our focus be the et vs ultimate dyno number? I realistically just want same et as a trx on my 35s and the ability to run 91 octane, which I hope is feasible considered I've seen on youtube that a Maggie equipped DC on 35s ran 13.3.

    Ekanoo also ran 12.8 on harrops, headers and hp tuner tune as per description.

    https://youtu.be/4PMXaXwj860
     
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    Pietz did the install? Do you mind me asking what made you choose them over prospeed and what the total cost was? I'm in Williamson County
     
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    Silver 17 You may be right about the tuner! I’m not going to bash them because I feel it’s bad for the truck community. I had to get more fine tuning done to my truck by another tuner. First tune was cutting out at times and just felt like it was holding back with extra fuel consumption. Second tune feels much better and was able to up my rpm shift points. He also said I was at my limit with the stock maf and if I went with a smaller pulley it would be unmetered. Some of my problem is VFtuner doesn’t have enough fine tuning adjustments for my cal ID. Maybe DAP has a secret sauce. If you learn something on this let me know. I think I’m done until after the holidays. Check out Slow n Stock. He is a good dude and helped my truck run much better!!!
     
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    Harrop recommended them. and he is quite good with HPtuners. and Alex does all the dyno work. he is a smaller, busy shop; however, he slipped me into the schedule over a weekend.

    Prospeed is awesome, i just did not know about them at the time.
     
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    Good god!:
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