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2022 Owners: Do you miss the v8?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by gamecockgrad1215, Mar 6, 2022.

  1. Mar 9, 2022 at 8:50 AM
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    haha Yep, exactly.

    Agreed 100%

    Substantial with what regard? Acceleration is still the same. Perhaps having that 70 more ft-lbs at a lower rpm will tow better? I re-posted this for you.

    Yes, the V6TT peaks sooner at 2400 rpm as you mentioned. V8 peaks at 3600 rpm. Here are some links for you:

    BoostAddict - Underwhelming? 2022 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro test - 0-60, curb weight, 1/4 mile, etc.

    "What about the 437 horsepower and 583 lb-ft of torque hybrid drivetrain that includes a twin turbo 3.5 liter V6? Well, it results in 0-60 of 5.7 seconds and a 1/4 mile of 14.5 @ 92 miles per hour."

    The Quickest Pickup Trucks MotorTrend Has Ever Tested

    "The first model year of the second-generation Tundra just beats the Ram, the F-150, and all the newer Tundras we've tested (with the exception of one, stay tuned). The Toyota's 381-hp, 401-lb-ft 5.7-liter V-8, backed by a six-speed automatic, propelled the Tundra to 60 mph in 6 seconds flat and resulted in a 14.7-second quarter mile at 93.9 mph."
     
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  2. Mar 9, 2022 at 8:57 AM
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    I just said I *have* gotten certain MPGs....not that I get them going that speed routinely. LOL
     
  3. Mar 9, 2022 at 9:00 AM
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    With the high gas and diesel both my 5.7 Tundra and LC200 are taking a break been running the 2022 4runner pro , took my brother in law to check out new tundras , 3.5 is not bad .
    I never buy the first year of anything , brother is coming out of a lease and want to Tundra over GM crap is what he has , only positive he’s making 5k on the lease buy out .
    I would miss the 5.7 I like the motor , very dependable . Not because its a V8 , I have a old 1999 ram 3500 cummins , its a beast , cheap diesel truck inline 6 pushing just about 600hp but with the cost of diesel its also parked next to the Tundra and Land cruiser .
    I like a good straight 6 the 80 series had a good inline except the head gasket problem they all had .
    I don’t mind the 6 inline or the V6 but no replacement for displacement
     
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  4. Mar 9, 2022 at 9:20 AM
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    All the usual stuff!

    I agree. The factory Michelin tires that were on my truck had more traction then the 315/70-17 bfg ko2 I had on my truck and everyone praises the ko2 tires like they’re gods gift. Junk Imo for the price that there are.
     
  5. Mar 9, 2022 at 9:40 AM
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    As a person who doesn't really care about the V8 vs V6 debate, this is what I see in this thread...

    I took some liberties on these to exaggerate a little. I hope it gives some folks a chuckle. Not trying to draw hate. Just trying to be funny.

    TTV6 Defenders: Throws out power specs that are better.
    5.7 Defenders: "Those power numbers aren't substantial enough to matter."

    TTV6 Defenders: Throws out better MPGs vs 5.7L
    5.7 Defenders: "That's not enough of a mileage gain to warrant the increased price."

    5.7 Defenders: "It's got piped in sound because they have to cover up the wimpy sound."
    TTV6 Defenders: "Who cares? I'm not in high school any more nor am I a 19 year old Pipefitter apprentice. I don't want a loud vehicle."

    5.7 Defenders: "It's so much more expensive than the 2.5 gen! It's $10k to $12k more!"
    TTV6 Defenders: Prices out 2 similarly equipped SR5 trucks on the Toyota.com builder (because you can still a build a 2021 on the website)...$2,705 difference for the 2022. Citation: 2022 Tundra SR5 TRD Off Road @ $46,165 MSRP and 2021 Tundra SR5 TRD Off Road @ $43,460 MSRP.

    5.7 Defenders: "The 0-60 mph time is better and the 1/4 mile times are basically the same."
    TTV6 Defenders: "Makes sense. Because we're all ripping 1/4 mile runs before our morning commute. Cool."

    5.7 Defenders: "It's not naturally aspired and its got an aluminum block that's going to warp!"
    TTV6 Defenders: "You do realize that turbos have been around for decades, right? Just because the technology is new to you doesn't mean it's new. Also, using your cousin's Mazda from high school that he blew up street racing isn't a good example of how turbo technology is really unreliable."

    At the end of the day, the world is changing whether we like it or not. The death of big engines is probably inevitable (despite the best efforts from Dodge/Ram). Just like how carburetor technology died out, I doubt V8s will last another couple of decades. To be honest...I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years that any type of ICE powertrain becomes a pretty rare option on a new vehicle. Then the V6 & V8 guys will all be crying together. As long as it gets me from point A to B, allows me to go off-road when & where I want to, and doesn't take me a long time to "fill up" (whatever that will mean in the future)...then I'll change with the times.
     
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  6. Mar 9, 2022 at 9:45 AM
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    After 10 years of KO2s, I'm probably switching to Toyo AT3s. The KO2s seem to last about 25k miles until you start to lose traction. Our towing probably affects wear.

    I drove my Tacoma today that has newer KO2s in the snow and they were fine.
     
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    I switched back to Goodyear duratrac tires. Better all around traction.
     
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    I'm excited to see how it goes with the hybrid engine. I have no doubt the TTV6 is more fun to drive than the V8, but the hybrid should blow the V8 away. If I give up my truck, it'll be for that engine. Standard on the new Sequoia.
     
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  9. Mar 9, 2022 at 10:27 AM
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    my experience as well, the BFGs are great for about 20-25K miles.

    my Cooper AT3 XLT have been way better and for much longer, and made in USA
     
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    I was with you up until.....

    I agree with this, except for the fact that whereas you are essentially stuck paying MSRP on vehicles now (which, for my 2020, was $48K), you could easily get good deals even a year ago.

    When I bought my 2020, I paid $41.7K, (including $200 in parts, plus a lifetime engine warranty). Now? A 2022 with the same packages (SR5 Upgrade Package; TRD Off-Road Package; Blackout Package, and a few other minor packages) comes out to $53K, which is indeed about $11.2K more than what I paid.

    It all comes down to use case, for me, and likely for others. I drive maybe 20-30 miles a day when I'm not WFH; and aside from my 14' trailer, I tow heavy maybe 2x a year. Given that, and the fact that my truck is paid off, to me it makes little sense to incur an $11K+ loan for a new truck.

    With all that said, aside from first year concerns, I have no problem admitting the new truck is probably an improvement in many ways.
     
  11. Mar 9, 2022 at 10:39 AM
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    I was a KO2 fanboy until this year. I split my driving between two trucks and my commute is short, so I never realized this was an issue. They look good and so many Colorado trucks run them. Great until they suck.
     
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    give the coopers AT3 XLT a look for grins, great tire
     
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    It's all about point-in-time context, I suppose. If someone had the option to go back in time and buy a new vehicle back then...sure, that would make sense and I would 100% agree with you. However, that's not the world we currently live in. You can't repeat that buying experience today so your "actual value" of your truck is different from my "perceived value" of your truck.

    That's why its tough to make an apples to apples price argument because the price & value (which are different things) of those apples have fluctuated so wildly in the last 12-36 months. For you, the value of the apple is based on when you bought it in 2020. Your side of the debate is correct & accurate for you. For others debating the same thing, their argument is based on today's value of the same apple because they didn't buy it 2 years ago. For these folks, they are also correct & accurate. Yet we all bang heads thinking there is only 1 right and 1 wrong.

    I guess my "rebuttal" turn into a commentary on the broader state of affairs in the world and went off the rails from a simple V8 vs V6 statement. hahaha.
     
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    perfectly said, you can't go back in time and buy a 20XX vs a 2022 and compare that to now

    the real question is when everyone needs to decides to buy a new truck, do you buy this gen tundra or the big 3, thats the argument moving forward as far as new rigs go.
     
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    True. I bought my Tundra when you could buy two Tundras for the price of a Sequoia. Now they'll cost about the same.
     
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    What I'm hearing is the 2023 Sequoia is going to be over $100k.
     
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    I think you still buy this gen. Hopefully now is the worst it'll be for the new gen owners.
     
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    yup, I tested out a powerboost f-150 and a platinum 2022 tundra recently, and I think the tundra is a better truck.

    its just going take some getting used to the new rigs, things evolve.
     
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    I sold my '18 CM Limited to by into the new gen. I REALLY loved that truck, but could not pass up the chance to sell it for more than I paid for it. I used to be one of the haters of the new gen just because I had an '18 with a V8 and justified it to myself that was the last of the great Tundras, but decided to embrace what appears to be the future of power plants, as well as wanting the tech upgrades of the new generation. I should be receiving my '22 any day now (just received my first bill from Toyota yesterday). I am really excited despite the reported problems, and am confident that Toyota will address all issues. I am sure that I will miss the 5.7 with the TRD exhaust, but not so much the drone when towing in the mountains. I am really struggling to understand why some individuals with the older generations that have no intention of purchasing a 3rd gen are obsessed with posting on the 3rd gen forum about how bad the new trucks suck. As with anything else, both generations have their advantages and disadvantages.
     
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    if you dont mind my asking, how are u already getting the bill when you dont have the truck yet?
     
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    just normal humans man, "I don't like change" and "what I have is better than new"

    since this is the tundra toyota built, we'll see when people need new trucks someday, either this new tundra or a big 3. Thats when the rubber will meet the road for the diehards. nice thing, the older tundras will run for a long time if thats what people choose, so no worries.
     
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    In order:

    1. TTv6 is obviously more powerful, especially in lower rpm band.

    2. I agree with the 5.7 guys here. Still a truck. Still abysmal fuel economy compared to a Prius or a Tesla (something you should actually buy if you want great fuel economy). Numbers are not substantially better if I put the same tires, small lift, and added weight onto the 3rd gen that I have on my 2nd. Truly, the needle hasn’t moved enough for me to really care. How could it? The 3rd gen is still a truck, and it’s still a lot heavier than the competition. There’s at least one ‘22 Platinum crewmax shortbed that weighs more than my truck according to our door jambs. :eek:

    3. Exactly, who cares. But if people like it, then great. I didn’t buy my truck for the sound. I bought it for another reason entirely, which brings up my main point below.

    4. MSRP to MSRP, the 3rd gen is a lot more expensive, as expected. That low mileage 2nd gens are priced so high right now tells us more about supply issues and the upside down market than anything. If you wait a year, used vehicle prices and ADMs will both drop, and the apparent rollout issues will be gone. I can’t help but also have the opinion that if the 3rd gen rollout had been smooth, used 2nd gens wouldn’t be fetching quite so much.

    5. So the TTv6 feels much faster and smoother but gets barely better numbers to 60 and in the 1/4 mile. Don’t care either way. Like you, I didn’t buy a truck to go “fast”. Trucks aren’t fast (TRX notwithstanding).

    6. This TTv6 has supposedly been around a few years, so why the rollout issues? The Car Care Nut guy did a video on it and talked about how it actually departs in a few ways from the Lexus version that had been in service for years prior. I’m confident Toyota will fix the issues quickly.

    The one comparison you forgot: RELIABILITY. The 5.7 has 15 model years worth of taking abuse and not caring, racking up extremely high miles along the way. Will the TTv6 hold up on the same way? Maybe? Probably? Time will tell. I bought the last new 5.7 so I could enjoy my time going out to completely isolated, remote places and come home every time. It’s a proven dinosaur, and that’s exactly what I love about it. When I’m ready to buy a new truck, the TTv6 will have had time to prove itself or not. If not, I’ll keep buying good examples of 2nd gens. But I’m hoping the iForce Max is as awesome as I think it’s going to be. I doubt we’ll even be allowed to buy v8s by the time mine needs to be replaced. :rofl:
     
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    Substantial with what regard? Acceleration is still the same. Perhaps having that 70 more ft-lbs at a lower rpm will tow better? I re-posted this for you.

    Yes, the V6TT peaks sooner at 2400 rpm as you mentioned. V8 peaks at 3600 rpm. Here are some links for you:

    BoostAddict - Underwhelming? 2022 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro test - 0-60, curb weight, 1/4 mile, etc.

    "What about the 437 horsepower and 583 lb-ft of torque hybrid drivetrain that includes a twin turbo 3.5 liter V6? Well, it results in 0-60 of 5.7 seconds and a 1/4 mile of 14.5 @ 92 miles per hour."

    The Quickest Pickup Trucks MotorTrend Has Ever Tested

    "The first model year of the second-generation Tundra just beats the Ram, the F-150, and all the newer Tundras we've tested (with the exception of one, stay tuned). The Toyota's 381-hp, 401-lb-ft 5.7-liter V-8, backed by a six-speed automatic, propelled the Tundra to 60 mph in 6 seconds flat and resulted in a 14.7-second quarter mile at 93.9 mph."[/QUOTE]
    The reason torque being 1200 RPM lower is huge is fuel economy. When towing the 5.7 just screams - and DRINKS fuel. The 3.5 can stay much lower in the RPM range and will help tremendously with fuel economy while towing.

    It's no surprise 0-60 times barely changed - they're an indicator of HP. But towing torture tests the 3rd gen is easily beating what the 2.5 gen can do (and any other gas engine in pickups now) - and that's where the lower peak torque, and higher torque overall makes it's impact.
     
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    spot on with the mis matched materials

    not so spot on and kinda lame is bitching about MPG and then have 35" Load E and saying those should be stock, lol.

    big heavy awesome looking tires or better MPG, pick one...

    another thing, since the tundra was launched late in the year and all these you tubers are bitching about MPG forget about or fail to mention very important things. Winter blend fuel is terrible for MPG and also winter driving conditions chew fuel.

    wait till summer and it will be better on summer blend and warmer conditions.

    for me, IDGAF either way, I get 12 right now if I dont idle to much, whatever, Id be in the boost all the time anyways, its fun.
     
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    Once the build was completed and a VIN was assigned I was called in to purchase the truck. This was almost two weeks ago. Now I am just waiting for delivery. Toyota Financial wasted no time getting my first statement to me lol.
     
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    I agree with changes. At one time in my life, I had normal toilets. After installing bidets in my house, it feels so wrong to do my business on a traditional toilet.
     
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    I don't really think we're saying anything all that different. Obviously I can go back in time because of the decision I made 2 years ago; others can't. I'm not at all equating the 'value' of the trucks - I'm well aware of the fact that while the new truck costs more, it also brings a lot more tech to the table and the like. That's why I essentially mentioned use cases; and for me, that factors in a lot of different things, including the cost of the vehicle, the value of the dollar, the cost of gas, how often it gets used as an actual truck, etc.. I don't need a new truck that much as mine is paid off, works great, is barely 2 years old. If I seriously needed a truck, it'd suck to pay more, but I'd find the 'best' deal I could, and would pay the $.
     
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    Yeah, there’s irrationality on both sides. I remember seeing one guy say the new truck is totally worth it even though it has been in the shop more days than not. o_O

    During all the build-up to the release, I was really worried that I would be tempted to dump my ‘21 after 18 months of ownership because of how awesome the new Tundra was going to be. But Toyota didn’t drop it out in front of the pack they way they did with the 2007 model. It seems like they built a more reliable EcoBoost and put it in a heavier truck. “But it has low end torque!” Yes, and I’ve been not buying EcoBoosts for several years now. I’m fine with how my drivetrain performs.
    Yep, that’s my whole angle. Wait and see. The only thing I’m truly “diehard” about is long term dependability. It’s still a Toyota. It’s still made with the same manufacturing principles that make their stuff last so much longer. By the time I’m looking for a new truck, we’ll have a much better idea how the two new drivetrains hold up. The one I really want to see some time-tested data on is the iForce Max.
     
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