Tundra engine recall - interesting news

Your sense is wrong. My criteria for a trade-in is it has to be a white Gen 2.5 1794 with equal or less miles than my white '23 1794. I don't want any mods including lifts, big tires, aftermarket wheels etc... It has to be as clean and unmolested as I keep my trucks, which is a rather high bar. I also don't want a rust belt truck, so that limits my market even more.

So far, I haven't found that specific truck, but I don't spend much time looking, either.

 

I was told by my dealership today that I have to bring my truck in to have the engine inspected before they will order an engine for me. Is this normal?

 

It's absolutely not normal, if your truck is included in the engine recall and your build date is currently getting new engines.

 

Here are a few white 1794's

Used 2020 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition for sale in Fort Collins, CO 80525: Truck Details - 757680852 - Autotrader

Used 2021 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition for sale in Kalkaska, MI 49646: Truck Details - 755059337 - Autotrader

Certified 2021 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition for sale in Lumberton, NC 28358: Truck Details - 753457368 - Autotrader

Used 2019 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition for sale in Sacramento, CA 95815: Truck Details - 756461435 - Autotrader

Used 2019 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition for sale in Petersburg, VA 23805: Truck Details - 746669890 - Autotrader

 

Thanks! But the only truck in that list that meets my equal or less mileage than my '23 criteria is the first one. And it's at least $10K more than I could get in trade-in.

The rest are higher mileage, yet they'd still require out-of-pocket cash for me to trade for.

But you have proved my point that Gen 2.5s. have retained their value far better than Gen 3s have. I think there's a reason for that. Don't you?

 

My dealer did the same thing. The “inspection” was literally just checking the VIN… which is in the technical instructions for the swap, before they even order the engine. I’m assuming some dealers just leverage their existing service records to “check” the VIN, while others want to see it in person. Had the truck back in 5-10 minutes and went along with the rest of my day

 

You were comparing trade-in value to retail pricing, so no.

 

Last year I sold my 2021 Army Green double cab TRDOR for $48k that I bought new for $46k. It had 10k miles at time of sale. I turned around and purchased a 2024 crewmax TRDOR for $54 cash and drove it about 3k miles with no issues before the news started breaking about a possible recall for the engine failures. I drive to very remote areas for fun and worry about being stranded, so I sold it for $50k. The only Toyota I have ever taken a loss on. I got lucky and found a 2018 crewmax TRD Sport, 37k miles, one local owner, super clean and jumped on it for $39k. I'm getting ready to retire in my mid-50's and will drive this and my 2nd gen Tacoma until either they die or I do. I have no interest in tech and just need vehicles to get me from A to B reliably, tow from time to time, and haul my toys into remote areas. So glad I went backwards!

 

I’m sure it has been talked about in this thread but I was just reading the recent press release on Honda engine recall.
Interesting read and compared to the tundra engine recall seems even more interesting.

 

LOL. Now you're just arguing to save face.

Let's take the first truck in your list as an example, a 2020 1794 with 11K miles for $54K.

The typical retail markup for used vehicles is 10-15%. That means the retailer of that truck likely paid north of $45K for that truck. Even if they sold it to me for cost, I'd pay out of pocket cash to trade my truck for it.

I know math is hard.

 

Doesn’t Toyota have a modern v8?

 

Very rational assessment. Hope you never have trouble with your truck.

 

not of any size or torque output or low end torque that would cut it in today’s market

 

A wonderful turbo diesel the rest of the world gets.

 

that should be the second motor here , turn it up a bit for this market , but that would do it well me thinks

never going to happen though lol

the next option will be some sort of electric, done right it could be pretty interesting, can get some monster low torque there

 

The Illinois Tollway will miss your boost

AZ has gotta be much better than IL, hope you enjoy it!

edit: deleted the horse… no idea how that got there.

 

lol, that’s funny , I couldn’t wait to get that transponder thing out and remove the IL plates

And so far yes , AZ is so much better.

thanks , Im very thankful for this life change

 

Comparison J.D. Power,
2023/2020 Toyota Tundra 1794 Edition CrewMax 4WD – ~11,000 miles, Clean Condition

Year Trade-In Value Retail Avg Price Paid
2023 $51,025 $59,113 (Data from 122 transactions)
2020 $42,675 $50,813

 

A couple of things. My '23 has 28K miles, not 11K.

Even if it did have 11K, based on your J.D. Powers numbers, I'd get $51K in trade, and pay $50.8K for a 2020 with 11K miles.

Like I said, it would be a wash. I certainly wouldn't come home with a wad of cash in my pocket.

 

I will always lose $’s on my vehicles, I put too many miles on them. I saying that when my 08 was totaled with 285K on the odometer I was concerned about getting the new truck. My 23 limited is a far superior truck to my 08. Im not going to list the reasons or debate it, I have 91K on it as of today. Are there concerns out there, sure, so far not for me. But it’s a much better truck to drive and I just did a 4000 mile trip with dirt bikes and gear in it.

As far as multiple engine options, its a money loser for manufacturers. Think about it this way, software companies consistently EOL (end of life) their software after 5 or so years, why - because it costs too much to support it and it sustains long term revenue. The manufacturers offering multiple options are losing more money than those that don't, they also accept a much larger burden of risk and liability.

 

Oh jeez, speak for yourself. There are tons of people who are itching to get out of their 3rd gen and back to a 2nd. Why do you think they are selling for crazy amounts? The market is crazy for them. 6-7 year old base models with cloth bench seats and 2WD selling for pretty much their original MSRP even with almost 100k miles. As it's been mentioned, it's a tough pill to swallow, coughing up 15-20k to get rid of these things. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that a lot of folks just parked their truck and drove their other vehicle, keeping the mileage low and not worrying about wear and tear that inevitably comes with driving so they can get out from underneath these things as fast as possible.

You're 100% wrong on your senses lol. Matt has made it clear he's unhappy with his 3rd gen Tundra and that when he's able and comfortable eating the loss, he's going to replace it with a 2nd gen. It's possible he changes his mind and wants out of Toyota altogether. Who knows, but I give it a .001% chance he keeps his 3rd gen and I don't blame him.

Not everybody wants to "move foward." If Toyota puts out a garbage product, do you expect everybody to "move forward" and buy that piece of junk and be happy? No. Sheep will because that's what they are conditioned to do: believe that everything made in 2025 is better than anything produced in 2024. They will think the same thing in 2029. Whatever was made in 2026 is no good and the product in 2029 automatically is better in every way, simply because it's newer. That's it. Obviously a lot will because people can't get enough of their massive giant screens and 0-60 times and mood lighting but sensible people will cut bait with something that has endless recalls and major problems, especially if you're looking to keep the truck for any real length of time and using it for tough jobs that a V8 without a bunch of gimmicky tech that will fail would be better suited for.

Sorry to break it to you, but not everything that comes right off the assembly line is superior to the prior thing.

 

I got your rant, now relax.

 

We have a like button, but where is the giggle giggle button?

Hate all you want. That’s your right, but don’t muddy waters with yesterday’s meals. Are there some whom want back in a gen 2.5? Sure there are. Are there most completely satisfied with their gen 3? Absolutely there are. The gen 3 surpasses in virtually every area. Maybe space in the back seat of a crew max is less from my understanding. Heck, I love my double cab and don’t care. The power and tow capacities are in line with what is desired today, not gen 2.5 days. I’m not knocking the gen 2.5 platform in any manner, that is what I was looking to get into. Until I drove the gen 3 I have now. These trucks are loaded with way more and better features available on the previous models. The fully boxed frame and work that went into engineering this new platform IMHO is invaluable.

Stop exaggerating on tons of people wanting back in, unless you are referring to combined weight. In that case, you may actually come close to that mark.

Get over your hate on the gen 3 Toyota, it is here and WILL stay.

 

if your going to make that much of a large statement, in order to have any credibility here, you're going to have to substantiate that.

until then, its nothing but a shitpost (TM). @ColoradoTJ beer for you, lol, I used it again.

@GODZILLA

good example of what you and I were talking about the other day, in this case you were right.

 

Need more cowbell.

 

Pretty sure jokerz is here to troll

 

As these heated or misguided slight arguments I share some light on as I am a fixed ops director over many stores and base out of Cdjr locations…
Stellantis is the worst company I have ever seen from a repair standpoint, customer service, build quality and finally the worst corner cutting possible. There are things you see that should have been a long a recall (3.6 motors, 3.0 eco diesel motors, new 2.0 turbo). That they ignore and turn a blind eye to it, not only that processing warranty under them is an absolutely joke, they make the tech go through so many hoops to get ever 3 year 36k things covered regardless of miles let alone screw the tech harder than any manufacturer with labor times. We have daily vehicles off the truck (pdi) that are dead on arrival (2 brand new Cummins with the “new” 8 speed blown trans). So when you compare this shit or GM 6.2 garbage right now I would say tundra has significantly less issues yet just take care of the customer where as Stellantis won’t offer shit and tell you software fixes hardware.
im at 33k with zero issues in mine at all towing a 8k trailer.
As always still drive what you want and how you want as it’s your truck so be happy with whatever. (Minus a maverick lol).

*** ps hemi is back actually

 

People are always going to disagree. I personally find my 22 superior to my 2008 in every way. I don’t find it cheap or plastic, and the drivetrain is phenomenal. Extended warranty takes care of any engine anxiety. My buddy has a 2019 limited and also thinks mine is nicer. Just different perspectives. It also helps that I got an insane deal on mine - a year later my Carmax offer is a little more than I paid for it.

 

Yes, if you are talking frequency of recalls, warranty work, and cost of ownership, you are spot on, the Gen 3 surpasses. But let's be honest, "surpasses in virtually every way" is hyperbole and completely subjective. Here are a few objective comparisons from my perspective.

My Gen 2.5 brakes never shuddered when they got hot.

My Gen 2.5 seat panels never cracked.

My Gen 2.5 never had a camera fail that resulted in loss of cruise control.

My Gen 2.5's rear end never hopped around violently on washboarded dirt roads.

My Gen 2.5 never had excessive wind noise.

My Gen 2.5 never had safety recalls on a defective fuel line, a transmission that engages in neutral, a defective e-brake, or defective backup lights. In fact, my Gen 2.5 never had a significant recall of any kind, unless you consider a miss-labeled payload sticker significant.

Lastly, my Gen 2.5 never had the small but very real possibility of eating main bearings and leaving me stranded in the middle of nowhere.