Better front rotors and pads?

MB fixed the brake noise a long time ago. That’s a nice platform. I just bought an E450 all terrain.

 

if they get warped once - say from the heat transfer thing - they're prone to do it any time they get hot. At least that was my experience on my old 4Runner. Haven't had any bad experience with the brakes on my 3G tundra. I know it's annoying tho!,

 

I believe there's an update part # for the front rotors. I used these when I did my brakes 10K ago.

https://parts.conicellitoyotaofcons...meT0yMDE5JnQ9dHJkLXNwb3J0JmU9My01bC12Ni1nYXM=

 

Just made another trip over the santiam pass and back. This time I was in the back seat handling the kids while the Mrs drove both ways.

Definitely had a pretty bad shake from the rear on both descents as soon as we hit the second corner each time. Got worse and worse the farther we went down the mountain. Entire truck would shake, but nothing extra felt in the steering wheel per my wife.

Took a while for the shake to stop while braking once down in the flats/hills. Have Toyota care service coming up so will add this to the list to look at. They won’t be able to duplicate it though since any mountain pass is an hour+ away. Can’t duplicate, can’t fix I’m sure.

I may just pay for them to look over all of the rear end. If something is found I’ll have them push back on Toyota to cover.

I fortunately have access to a handful of diesels of all sizes so don’t have to worry about using my tundra to pull heavy yet.

 

Thanks for the video, but the young lady didn't really explain how my brakes can go from smooth to shuddering when hot, then back to smooth when they cool down.

It seems to me that all of the conditions she describes would result in permanent shuddering. Correct?

 

Yep. I warped the rear rotors on the 2nd gen trying to avoid a herd of deer. They were fine cold, but warped right back with any use. The front rotors didn't warp, but they lost effectiveness in a big hurry, which is what smoked the rear rotors.

I had a sports car that was fond of warping all of its rotors and doing fun things like blowing all the brake pad material off the backing plate. Luckily for me, it was as bad at going as it was at stopping.

I forgot out the rental Ford sedan I drove. I was going down a very steep hill, and the right front caliper didn't engage. 4 passengers. I stood on the brake pedal hard enough to bend it and rolled up to the stop sign with smoke pouring out of 3 wheel wells. Right front wheel was cool to the touch. Aside from half the front braking system not working, the vehicle shuddered and wobbled so violently that it was undrivable.

 

So, what exactly causes the "juddering" to be more noticeable when the brakes are hot? Does the uneven rotor to pad contact become greater with heat?

 

Thanks. I haven't found a shop that will turn rotors for years. They all claim their liability insurance doesn't allow them to anymore. That's possibly BS.

The whole pad bedding thing is something I've never had to do on any vehicle I've owned. My 2008 and 2015 Tundra's brakes were great, and they lasted far more miles than I expected. I never experienced the juddering on those trucks when traveling the same routes that cause it on my '23.

 

What's early?

 

I haven't had an issue getting them turned including on the car. I just haven't had great luck with it working long term or it being a great deal. It's not that much more to replace the rotors. It was $300 to have the rotors on the Tundra resurfaced at the dealer. 10K later I paid $599 for front axle pads and rotors installed. It's probably only $100 more to replace vs resurface the rotors.

 

I consider that very early. I'll stop bitching about replacing mine at 30K

 

That's crazy, my 2009 Tacoma brakes lasted 75k miles. Well, the fronts anyway. The OEM rear drums were still good when I sold that truck in 2023 with 120k miles. I am one of the lucky ones with my Tundra. Brakes are smooth, quiet and powerful enough at 31k miles with lots of life left. I hope all you guys get yours sorted. Juddering brakes are no fun.

 

The rear brakes on my 2008 and 2015 Tundras both lasted 75K miles. I traded in the 2008 with the factory front brakes still on it at 135K. I don't recall exactly when I did the fronts on my 2015, but it was pushing 100K.

That's why I'm so disappointed with my '23's crappy brakes. Another swing and a miss on the Gen 3 engineering.

 

I've got new brakes on the front of the tundra. I'm going to try to have a new attitude too and chalk up a problem with a single rotor as opposed to some whacked endemic issue. It happens...

 

I've had real good luck with the Raybestos Element 3 rotors and pads. Used them on 4 different vehicles, all out of the box good.

 

Do you happen to know which line of Element 3s you've used? It appears they have 3 lines of rotors and 2 lines of pads for the Gen 3 Tundras.

Thanks