2025 Tundra Engine is down!

Or the replacement shortblock had the same defect as the one that failed. The Real Ryan happened upon a shortblock and bought it. My opinion was that while being shipped the train/truck carrying it was involved in an accident and the shipper owned the whole load of damaged freight. Regardless, The Real Ryan dissembled the shortblock and found some hanging chads in the oil galleys.
Had that shortblock not been in The Real Ryan's hands it would have been in someone's truck and possibly failed by now.
Sure, replacing everything oil touched is a good idea.

 

Can’t believe they hung chad in the galley

 

oil passes thru the turbos
oil passes thru the heads
oil passes thru the oil cooler
why come none of that mo'jo gets replaced?
i'd be pisst

In 2009 my Tacoma with the TRD Supercharger catastrophically let go about 5 mins away from the dealer after i had my oil changed. On a 45mph short road in town the engine locked up in a manner that sounded like the Fast and Furious eclipse letting go. Turns out the dealer tech forgot to put oil back in the engine, and about 4 miles is how far i made it with an empty oil pan. The dealer fought me for a month but eventually Toyota warrantied it. I got a brand new engine, and brand new supercharger top to bottom. This is no different, an engine coming apart puts metal shavings in everything and oil runs thru everything.
I still dont think new engines for everybody is the fix, but once they are toasted they should be replacing everything.

 

Correct. The front cover is actually a two piece and it contains the oil pump.

@Mallcrl - Push for an entire rebuild - heads, cams, etc - anything oil touched needs to be replaced.

Little do they know that the less expensive option is 19000-F4030 which is $9,000-$11,000 less expensive than building a new long block piece by piece.

 

There are a couple of those reported on the forum. It’s not always the same crank bearing.

This 2024 in Florida I mentioned in another thread is the same thing, rod bearing failure:

After a Toyota engineer inspected his engine he ended up getting the short block warranty treatment, too. Brutal when there is an entire recall that covers long block replacements for any spun bearing

 

Just wait until AI project engineers are doing the modeling. I'm already working with AI project engineering teams that are overly confident.

 

I've mentioned this numerous times to my Brand engagement center rep and she has just bypassed it as an option entirely. According to both her and the dealer, it is the discretion of the FTS to decide what got ordered and what gets replaced. The rep did offer the ability to cover an extended warranty if I decide to not go down the lemon law route. Lemon law in Maryland is 30 days, which is next Thursday. I've brought up a buy back in place of lemon law or repair and that has been effectively ignored as well.

When I briefly talked to the tech today (whose first question was "are you from Toyota?") and mentioned that there was now a single part number that could be ordered for a long block he (paraphrased) "oh so I'm just the lucky one that's stuck rebuilding this one". He also said "I'd be going for arbitration on this thing", at which point the service writer quickly wrapped up our "in the shop" time and ushered me back up front

 

I would think going all Lemon on them would not be a favorable option for the dealer. Don't all lemon law vehicles get the equivalent of a Scarlet Letter? Kind of like a big yellow L on the title?

 

The dealer doesn't care because the buy out at that point comes from the corporate side, and yes, when the vehicle eventually gets resold (as a used vehicle) it has to be stated that it was once lemon lawed

 

I'd definitely lemon law it based on how they are treating you.

 

Damn, dude, I hate that you're going thru this.

If I were you, I'd try to buddy up to the Service Manager (may be too late, in your case, dunno). I ask him to slow play the repairs on your truck, to get you past the 30-day Lemon Law period. As you mentioned, the dealership isn't harmed financially from a Lemoned vehicle, so there would be no reason he couldn't shuffle your truck down the priority list.

I would never be comfortable with your truck after this fiasco.

 

I would hate to have to go down that route, but at this point you are about to pay the first monthly note on it and you have not had it 20 days.
Kinda lame that they are not giving you the whole crate LongBlock, i also would be skeptical of the build / warranty / loose nuts and bolts / scratches, on what is a 10 day old truck right off the lot. You barely had any time to fart in the seat good and now its completely disassembled and you are left to trust some kid is putting your truck back together properly, not denting in the fenders with parts and wrenches, and not scratching things.
My 2008 tacoma was right at one year old when that happened to mine in Feb 2009, and i was absolutely livid, sick, hurt, and didnt trust the truck afterwards like i wanted to.

 

The first 8 days he couldnt catch them on the phone, or get a return call. I think they were avoiding him and likely are still going to until his truck is out of their shop. If they are good the truck can be done in 2-3 more days if all the parts are there... But how long they take is totally up to them.
Toyota has eyes on this forum, always have, and they likely have someone reporting back about this customer and his truck and his thread AND his mention of Lemon Law 8+ days ago. They are likely rushing on it to get it out the door before that 30 day window closes.

 

I'm a person that believes that the top of the food chain sets the tone for what happens in the hierarchy below; and in chatting with the service manager (and reading his reviews on DealerRater.com and similar), am quite solidly of the mindset that the lack of transparency, communication, and honesty within this service department is a trickle down effect.

I actually had this conversation the other day with my better half about the fact that if I did have a car note on it, I would be that much more livid about not being able to drive it for more than 2/3 of the time I've owned it. I'm super fortunate to not have a payment on it, but I also don't feel like that makes it any more acceptable.

I've also already planned to make an appointment at another nearby dealer where an old buddy's wife is a service advisor (I learned this after the fact), and have one of her trusted techs do a complete look over. I'll happily pay a couple hours of shop rate for that. Based on the comment by the tech today about being stuck rebuilding it, I'm also tempted to slide by the dealer tomorrow with a monetary care package for the technician to motivate him to not take short cuts on the reassembly

 

I highly doubt Toyota Corporate gives a rat's ass about this forum, or this one customer's plight.

If they were pressuring the dealership to fix his truck before the Lemon Law period, you can bet the truck would be done by now. The bottom line is, the owner, dealership and Toyota corp would all be better off just to offer this guy a new truck. The next best solution would be let the truck be Lemon Lawed, and let the owner move on to his next ride.

This half-assed repair, by a kid who doesn't even want the project by his own admission, is not likely to end well for anyone.

 

They care
They are here
They have always been here
Yes i also agree, giving him a new truck would be a better good faith solution to this issue considering the timeline of when it happened and how new the truck was.
Yes, i also agree, about the tech. There is a very slim chance that truck rolls out of the dealer service dept at 100%

 

Based on at one point being very connected in the workings of another auto brand and being a forum admin for another automotive forum, the forums are all regularly viewed by at least someone within the company. Whether all that gets relayed to the proper folks is another thing, but someone within the company reads most threads, especially on new or problematic vehicles/topics. They are also regularly read, in depth, by the competition to those brands that are being talked about

 

Not that I am trying to blame you, and I am sorry if I missed it from an earlier post. But what are your driving habits like? Did this happen after a WOT hard acceleration? Did you do a simple 500 mile break in period like the manual says...??? Just simply asking questions...NOT trying to pass the fault onto you.

 

A particular someone would disagree with that statement.

 

There are times I tip prior to the good service.

 

Sounds like he was out on an afternoon stroll.

 

thank you. I clearly missed it

 

I did a 1,000 mile <3,000rpm <50% throttle break in with about 650 of those being between 45-60mph on a country back road ("state highway") with almost constantly changing RPMs/speed due to terrain, traffic, and traffic lights; between 1,000mi and the failure date I had gone WOT maybe 3-4 times? The most strenuous of those was a 5-65mph pull

 

thank you, again I was NOT trying to put blame on you, just asking questions

 

I wasn't offended at all

 

I would fight tooth and nail for a long block, new oil cooler, turbos etc.
I worked in as a mechanic, and cylinder head tech in a shop. We rebuilt engines also, boring, turning cranks, whole 9 yards.

I’ve seen the scored cam bearings after something like that happens and they don’t get all the trash out. Engine ran quite a while with it, but it sure shortens life.
Most of it can be gotten out without completely tear down heads if those heads have oil plugs, and they run enough clean solvent through the oil galleys/ports backwards to break anything loose that might be in the castings.
These newer engines have cams in the heads.
It was an old 351W, M, 302, 350, 454 etc I wouldn’t have a problem with them reusing the heads, but without access to a shop that has machining equipment, I’d sure be skeptical they could properly flush it.

 

Not Ryan?

 

Toyota - I'd be happy to join the team. Please send me a PM.

 

Know I'm a lowly 2.5 Gen owner but there is zero chance I'd let them put be back in that truck. None.