Jump ship for a Raptor? Not an easy decision...

If money is no object do as you please. If the Tundra is giving you that warm fuzzy feeling. You can make it far superior over the Raptor and still save a ton of cash. My neighbor just bought a 2023 Raptor with the 3.5L. The different setting in the exhaust was pretty damn cool. He replaced his 15 Raptor that had the 6.2L. I think he had close to 190K. The only thing replaced was the rear axel. Making noise probably low on fluid.

 

tbird:"The 3.5TT is a great motor but not without it's faults... Timing chain issues, phasers, vacuum pump problems, etc.

The worst part of them is the 10 speed.... It hunts like Elmer fud 24/7 to decide what gear it should be in."

ha! love the Elmer Fudd comparison.

Feels like the correct answer to this thread if you can afford it: "why not both?".

 

I never had transmission problem in my 2018 lariat 3.5. The Tundras boost does kick in better given i do have a piggyback system. I still don't know if it's just me or the traction control off make the T feel quicker.

 

Pre 2021 was a different transmission in the fords.

 

Even had a 2022 lariat 3.5 no issue. But only had it for a couple months

 

The big trouble is that Ford has been able to keep all of it in the realm of anecdotal as far as the transmission issues. They've never done a recall that accepts responsibility so you just wind up with all the people without issues telling the people with issues that they were just unlucky and that it isn't a big deal because they didn't have the problem.

 

I dont think the remote/auto start thing should be part of the decision, tundra has the app also, yes after a year you gotta pay for the service after the first year. Guess what, Ford is moving to the same model half the shit on my daughter’s explorer ST is now a subscription model. I think the raptor is awesome, drove one recently thinking about the switch myself. But the cabin felt small to me, and that’s important to me, and I liked the ride on my limited better, but I am not an off roader. Im not a ford hater either, love my Mustang GT.

 

Eh, I kinda agree but also not fully. The big difference is that the Ford has the remote button on the FOB that will always work, even without a sub. The Toyota doesn't and if you aren't subbed the triple click of the lock button won't work either. Toyota's model is definitely more predatory and worse than Ford's in this aspect.

 

For real ?! That is ridiculous. Toyota keeps on giving with new trucks. I want to love them, but I hate them even more every time I hear something like what you mention.

 

The last gen gasser Titan's are actually a decent truck. The diesel HD was certainly lacking. Surprisingly a lot of Raptor's here in Alamosa for a town less than 10k population. Don't ask me why, but lots of high speed offloading can be had here in San Luis Valley.

 

Sooooo…. just like the 3rd Gen Tundra bearings.

 

There's some truth to that Joon...ha

 

Make no mistake Ford will move that way, its revenue…and it isn’t Toyota that started this shit, BMW - way more predatory. BTW the good stuff on my daughters ST lasted 90 days

 

I am a Toyota guy at heart. I've owned over 6 Yota's

 

Lots of drugs moving in those parts.

 

One thing I did like about,not sure past 2018. The maps would still work without a subscription. Chevy you would have to pay. Toyota you do now.

I just want free baseball channels!!!!

 

Not correct. We have no subscription on my wife’s 2023 RAV4 and fob remote start still works.

There was initial confusion when Toyota released all the documentation because I think it was incorrect or Toyota back tracked. I too initially thought even the fob would not work without a subscription.

 

@BoulderGT3 There was an opioid issue here a few years ago. Mostly prescribed by bullshit doctors. Hello...lots of drugs moving in all over. Where have you been? I retired and moved here. It's worse in Metro Denver/Aurora, just ignored. The powers that be have cracked down hard here. HARD. If you get busted here.. your mug shot is published in the local newspaper for all to see. Judges are strict. Prison time. Do you ever post anything positive? Seriously? WTF does that have to do with Raptor's? Thanks for your input. Ignoring you now. Should had done it before! SMH

 

I have been looking at replacing my TRD pro with a Used TRX, If it wasn't for the massive increase in horsepower I wouldn't do it.

 

Oh there are definitely the deniers when it comes to 3rd gen problems here. Go say anything critical in the 3rd gen section and they'll come out of the wookwork to tell you you're just jealous and poor.

The real difference is that Toyota issued a recall. That's a better handling of a known problem than Ford's band-aid and deny approach.

Yeah, BMW is truly heinous about it.

 

Last few trucks
21' TRD Pro Tundra: No quality issues. Awesome exhaust but boomy when towing. Squats bad even with light (GR86) track car on Uhaul trailer but towed ok. Had two previous 5.7 tundras so was just ready for a change and traded for close to what I paid for it.
22' Chevy 6.6 duramax high country. Trans leak at 3k miles. Took over a month in the dealer to fix. I initially was looking at a different 6.6 duramax at the same dealer and when I went to go try and buy it was halfway dissassembled in the maint bay for a turbo drain gasket leak from the factory. Not a great look. Traded while in the shop on C8 vette
23' Tundra TRD Pro: drove it 22k miles. No issues at all other than rear parking sensor coming unglued from bumper. Towed much better than 5.7 and towed an 8k lb toy hauler on a 6k mi trip around the country last year. Decent off road but not great, and the off road suspension makes it squat like crazy with a load or heavy trailer. Traded it right when initial word of recall came out and got really great trade in for it....
24' F-150 Raptor: I get the hype now. Super fun. Paddle shifters, loud exhaust with some pops on overrun. Suspension is crazy smooth on the roughest streets and offroad just soaks up everything. Tows about like TRD Pro Tundra's with lots of squat. I like it so much the typical Ford issues (sunroof shade is coming loose and front parking sensors go crazy for no reason sometimes) are more easily overlooked. Handles way better than previous trucks, rides way better, and is just genuinely fun to drive in a sporty manner. Haven't given up on Toyota....wife has TRD Pro 4R and we got a 1958 LC with some mods but right now in the truck market (for me) I can't find anything that suits my needs better than the Raptor right now.

 

I don't see how you can make a 4 year old platform far superior than a 15+ year old platform. The aftermarket world is far superior for the Raptor. Maybe the previous gen could be made closer to if not better, but not the 3rd gen.

 

All this bs over what... 10k at most??
people are so funny.

If you are worried about 10k in value you should not be buying a 70k truck.

You bought a toy not a investment.

 

With the iForce Max you get 437 HP/ 583 ft. lb.
with the Raptor you get 450 HP/ 510 ft. lb.

unless you are getting a TRX or Raptor R, I would say the iForce Max is the better value and has a lot more to offer.

 

Does the iForce Max have 2.7kW generator onboard? Raptor does, plus a ton of other features as far as "more to offer". You simply can't be objective.

 

Numbers don't lie, and I could care less about a 2.7kw generator onboard. I thought that was part of the Power boost package.

A Ford Raptor of which I have owned 2, depreciate more than any other trucks on the road. Typical depreciation on the Ford is 10-12 grand per 10k miles on average per year. Keep the miles down and it could do better, but I never bought a new one. The first Raptor I owned was 2-3 years after the model year, the second was 18 months. I bought the Tundra brand new but again unless you are going Raptor R or TRX then the juice is worth the net you gain. The Raptor R and TRX and 700 HP is on another level.

I would never buy another New Ford or Lincoln, buy used and save 10-20-30K off the MSRP. The value just isn't there for the Ford product, most dealers even Ford's own network don't value them but show up with a Toyota, Honda, or Subaru and they will give you want ever you want.

 

Yet again, you prove you haven't owned a 2021+ Raptor as the Pro-Power is standard equipment. And the Raptors have some of the best residual values of any trucks besides gen 2.5 Tundras and Taco's. Keep scratching though.

 

LOL, sure no they don't, I bought my 2018 Gen 2 Raptor in 2020 pre covid with 10k miles for 52K. Drove it for 2 years and put 45k miles on it. Toyota dealers didn't even want it, hit it at 45-47k trade all day every day and that was below book, I think. Ended up dealing it to Carvana for 52K. Took the 30k cash and put it towards the new Tundra. I am happy, this is a Tundra forum, and you have to respect that people here drive Tundra for a reason and don't give to Ratts arse about Fords.

I am sure super Ford Raptor forum would love to hear all you rant. Raptors use to mean something, I know I would turn my heads for them but now I don't give them a second glance. Ford Performance is garbage, and they should have never taken SVT in house under the Ford Performance banner. The Focus RS was a disaster; the Mustang is the only performance model they really have now. I bought dozens of new Ford's even the wifes Timberland Explorer new. It was having so many issues that we traded it in on a Honda CRV Hyrbid. 40 mpg for an SUV is nice.

You do you, but people buy Honda, Toyota, and Subaru because they are cheap to maintain and have fewer needed repairs than a domestic such as Ford. Look at Fords stock price 10 dollars a share is laughable and so is the quality of their products. Oh yeah, I picked my 23 Toyota iForce Max over a new Ford F150 Gen 3 Raptor not sure if it had the pro power package or not.

I also went to Autotrader and fully load 22-23s Raptors are mid to high 60s maybe some even better than that with 10-20k miles. Not too good considering new they were what 80-90k rigs?

 

Actually, they are building junk now. Toyota went to BMW, Honda has Chevy building their EV for them, Acura also has Chevy building their EV for them. Both Evs are having issues. And I am a pro Japanese buyer. I own a 25 MDX and a 24 Nissan Ariya. I hooked up my scanner to my MDX, that thing has around 25 modules. In who's right mind was it a great idea to build any vehicle on a computer platform. It takes 1 module to go bad to render the vehicle useless and takes a tech, if they know what they are doing, a very long time to figure it out. I had a broken speaker wire on my 98 Silverado, took all of 30 mins to trace it and find the break. Try that in a modern vehicle. Now instead of using water pumps, manufs are using diverter valves. Your waste gates, which use to be manual and pretty much perfect, Toyota decided to through a module in there to control it. You have valves to divert water flow as needed, why. What happened to a thermostat opening and closing to circulate the water. Chevy for some reason still things there is no issue with their AFM. Just like Dodge hasn't done a thing about their header bolts. By the way, who at Toyota thought it was good idea to bring back air suspension. It's garbage and always leaks. Leveling sensors never work right. Just another added bonus to future owners that buy used vehicles. Vehicles nowadays are throw aways. None of these modern vehicles will be around 25, 30, 35 years from now, unless they are stored in a barn for someone to find decades later.

 

Uh Yeah, I have a 2016 Subaru WRX STI with 24k original miles. I am the only owner as long as it is maintained I promise you it will be around in 25-30-40 years from now. Hell 20 year old low mileage STIs bring crazy money on BAT. Honda's Hybrids are in house designs using a 2.0 liter Honda motor with no frills to generate a front and rear electric motor. There smaller 1.5-2 liter turbo engines are quite good. GMs battery platform is quite good for EVs, the Hummer is a step forward in the EV space.

I wouldn't say all vehicles these days are throw aways but yes, the market is definitely moving towards this.