Engine failure

Glad you love your truck and for those that need for Toyota to be an ongoing concern, I'm also glad you don't have product input.
Round numbers, in 2007 Toyota sold about 195,000 Tundras. By 2019 and 2020 it was in the 110,000 range. It was a steep downward slide while the market grew. While you may long for simplicity, the market doesn't. Tundra's provided simplicity and got their asses kicked. Toyota also can't have their product plans shaped by those that cling to legacy. The Tundra was so anemic from a business standpoint they couldn't even do an evolution like Ford does with F150's. They needed a big move, not an incremental step. Enter Gen 3. So is it working? In April 2019 Toyota sold about 9000 units. In April 2023, even with supply constraints, they sold about 12000 units. The biggest April since 2008. I wonder how many more they could sell if they had some reasonable amount of inventory.
Bluntly, there are more people that want the new trucks than were buying the old trucks.
I'm glad Toyota isn't over rotated on EV's and is working on edgy ICE trucks.
I'm waiting for the one I bought and looking forward to it.
Hang onto your '17. The world isn't going backward.

 

Technology and more up to date features are great, there’s no way I would have bought a 2021 Tundra because it offers basically nothing my 2007 doesn’t already functionally provide aside from Bluetooth audio.

That said new technology and more features also need to be well executed and functional. Some of the execution on the 3rd Gen doesn’t seem ready for prime time. Furthermore the 3rd Gen is not bringing the expected leap forward ahead of the competition within the 1/2 ton market. In 2007 the Tundra offered the most powerful engine to be had, the biggest brakes, and the most sophisticated transmission. It was the most capable 1/2 ton you could buy and the most reliable.

Instead Toyota gave us a Toyota version of a current Ford F150 with the 3rd Gen. This could be tolerable if it didn’t take 15 years to achieve, and if Toyota would make an effort to refresh and redesign the Tundra in a shorter cycle. They won’t do that though, so by roughly this time next year the Tundra will be outdated again and won’t see a refresh until 2029 if the same time interval is adhered to on the Gen 3 as the Gen 2.

Welcome to Toyota land where the world doesn’t go backwards, but it also doesn’t advance very quickly either.

 

I like your posts and you seem to know more about engines than most, but..

I think you have it wrong about the new tundra , you’ve never even driven one admittedly, and I was skeptical as well, but take some input from an owner ( admittedly new owner ), this truck is really nice and honestly it is better than the rest in the real world as near as I could figure driving them all.

so , while i respect your opinion, it’s just doesn’t translate into my real world experience with all the newer rigs. I did not test the new ram, I didn’t want another one , but my busniess partner has one Laramie night shade loaded, it’s pretty sweet I have to say, but I like my platinum tundra better

 

I am glad to read positive reports about the new truck and how it performs via the old butt dyno.

Unfortunately I also have to factor in instrumented tests, and those aren’t quite so positive. Toyota claims plenty of power is being made, but it sure doesn’t seem to be making it to the ground. I suspect very aggressive torque management by the ECU/TCU, and I understand tuning for longevity and sympathy to the equipment, but it can be taken too far. Reports of overheating for Motortrend testing the TRD Pro are worrisome, particularly given how large the cooling package is.

Then there’s the omissions of some features that are perplexing, or execution of others that are just stupid.

The potential is there, but it’s currently half baked. Just because the other entrants in the market are turds, doesn’t mean the Tundra is excellent.

 

No worries, we agree to disagree which is fine. You can read about numbers or you can go drive them all like I did , I value my butt dyno and feeling more than motor trend etc. I’m not saying the tundra was the fastest, the powerboost was super impressive , and felt faster , it also was clunky and broke down on the test drive. I don’t value the fastest that much, the tundra was much smoother especially the 10 speed compared to the gmc 10 speed and the ford 10 speed

I’ll see ya around

 

At some point I’ll be driving all of them too. Still a ways out, and I try very hard not to waste the time of commission based salespeople. I used to be one of them, so I don’t need to add to their generally miserable day unless I’m ready to buy something.

 

I look forward to your real world feedback , it’s a different animal driving them all

 

Wait, you buy a truck every 20 years and you're saying Toyota doesn't advance very quickly?

 

He's not wrong though. The 07 was leap and bounds ahead of the Big 3. The 3rd gen is an after thought for being a total redesign. It brings nothing to the table that the Big 3 don't have or make it better. I was so ready to lease the 3rd gen when my lease is up in July, but for $12k more than my truck, no thanks. There isn't $12k worth of extras over my 20 in the 3rd gen. Matter of fact my dealer sale guy called today to see what I was doing with my lease, I told him buying it out. He told me smart move, the 3rd gen is leasing at around $600+, I pay $383. I actually looked into Dodge for a new lease, but they are also smoking crack.

 

The tacoma didn't get power seats till 17 I believe. Toyota is know for reliability and not so much for tech. But boy they sure did tech the crap out of this new engine. That thing has solenoids, sensors, valves, pumps, injectors, hoses, etc. than a nuclear ship. We thought the AIP on the previous gen was an issue, Toyota said "Hold my beer".

 

@Breathing Borla

For sure, and all of them might as well be a space ship compared to my old 2007. LOL.

Part of electing to drive a vehicle for a long time is becoming desensitized to wanting new vehicles very much. It started as an experiment about 10 years ago, to see how long I could stand to drive an “old” vehicle once it was paid off. I might have gotten carried away because my mentality shifted to full on curmudgeon when it comes to a lot of new things.

When I was fresh out of the USMC all happy about not being shot, blown up, or killed in some kind of mishap I went to work for a Toyota/Lexus/BMW dealership. That younger version of myself loved all the new cars (I’m a car guy at heart, trucks to me are still largely tools), all the new tech, I would be hard pressed to have driven something for more than a couple of years. I was the same before that while I was on active duty, and in college.

So now the year is 2005 and I’m selling BMW’s after moving over from Toyota trucks. I hated 85% of BMW buyers in my AO at the time. Sorry to tell all the trophy wives, and lucky sperm contest winners out there this but: you’re not fucking special, and I don’t respect you. Buying a fine handling sport sedan because of the badge on the hood instead of an appreciation for what the machine is is kind of sad. But hey, gotta keep up with the Jones’s down the street (who also bought one for the badge on the hood) right! Now the other 15% of my clients were cool as hell, enthusiasts who were into cars, self made wealthy people (they’re always way cooler than trust find turds and pigeons with tits). Unfortunately when you only get along with 15% and the other 85% can tell you want to strangle them with a telephone cord, you’re not cut out for professional sales. So I left that industry. LOL.

While I was still there I got to witness first hand the degradation in product quality brought on by chasing the latest technology, and not executing it well. When BMW started making the iDrive equipped cars starting with the 7 series things started to go downhill. They were also making technology changes to the engines as well. To say none of it was well made or reliable would be generous. I spent most mornings talking to not very happy service customers with some variety of nightmare scenario broken ass BMW in service. Some of the cars were so bad BMW would wave service department CSI scores when the service department couldn’t fix them. Pretty much as long as the facility was clean and we didn’t insult the service customer in question and try to seduce their wife, BMW just ignored that data point for customer satisfaction. We made sure to have nice coffee and WiFi even back then. The loaner fleet was extensive.

With that backstory in mind maybe you can understand my reticence in diving headfirst into cramming more and more tech into a vehicle. I’ve observed where this can lead when everything gets so complex that it’s much much more difficult to service, and more likely to need that service.

 

That’s easy then man, just drive your 20 and be happy . That totally works , i completely get that.

That said , I’m guessing your another one that hasn’t even driven a gen 3 tundra but yet claim it’s no better than the big 3? You state that like it’s a fact for everyone, it isn’t .

it is better from what I drove , that’s just my .02

 

thanks for the back story, I get it.

And thank you for your service!

 

Actually the opposite. I have driven one, actually 2. One is a co-worker the other at the dealer. Not saying it a bad truck. I actually like the new interior better. But if you could enlighten all of us previous gen guys on how the 3rd gen is $12k better, at least $12k for my 20 SR5 to a 23 SR5, then I am all ears. I didn't see the justification for that much money. I state it like an opinion. You want to take it as fact, then I can't do anything about that. This world would be so vanilla if everyone had the same opinion. I am glad you like your 3rd gen, me personally, like I said, Toyota dropped the ball for it being a total redesign. Also, just for me, I would also love anything that 7 years newer than my truck.

 

I can’t speak to your financial situation or interpretation , everything is more expensive, trim vs trim the tundra is still cheaper the the others in most cases, it was with the ford platinum I was looking at and also the gmc at4

it doesn’t matter , drive your 2020 and be happy, I’m not being a jag when I say that.

we’ll agree to disagree as well as to the tundra vs the others

 

the problem with Toyota is they take too long to produce the new tundra, when they release it it became up to date.

 

I agree everything is more expensive, but the price difference to me isn't warranted. Financial situation or not, it a depreciating asset. If the dealer called today and told me, hey come pick up your 23 Tundra for the same or a few bucks more as you 20 lease payments, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But they are insane to ask what they are asking for just because. And I say just because, because no 1/2 ton base model should be selling for $50k. I don't see you as a jag or anything, it's the internet.

 

The 3rd gen should have been the 14+ truck. But we all know that Toyota along with other Japanese manuf, they keep their gen longer. The Big 3 change their line up like as often as you change a baby's diaper. Shit, it took Toyota a century to add power seats to the Tacoma.

 

I guess we have different ideas of “advancing”?

Buying things for the sake of having something new, when there is no need or not enough functional advantage is gained isn’t my idea of “advancing” anymore. I would rather take that money and invest in things that don’t lose value over time, or things that will function for a long time without need for replacement.

In the case of my admittedly old truck, it’s a tool. The tool is still fully operational, and not “advancing” as you might put it every 5 years has saved me somewhere around $110,000 in vehicle expenditures for myself.

 

Ikr took them 4 gen to put disc break on rear…lol

 

Yep. I’ll bet the accountants were dragged into it kicking and screaming too.

 

I use to be that guy. Buy the latest and greatest. I will say that if I the dealer gave me the 3rd gen for the same price I pay now, I would be all over it. I haven't been one that keep vehicles too long but I did the next best thing, lease. Cheap and a new vehicle every 3 years. Plus I also see it as more money for things that actually matter and no stress of having to fix a vehicle. But unfortunately this insane market is forcing me to buy out my truck. So I will be paying a little more than what I pay now but still cheaper than any new truck.

 

You are correct. My list when shopping for the Tundra included safety, reliability, comfort, resale value and fitting in our garage. My wife wanted it to be red.

 

Thought this was on point regarding our discussion. Toyota dealership leaving bolts loose and fluid under filled mounting transmission. Not sure what level of ASE cert did that but it doesn’t scream competence.
https://www.tundras.com/threads/truck-won’t-shift-above-4th-gear.120671/#post-3196531

 

Warranty work charge less time. If a rear main seal job requires 7.9hrs, Toyota only paying the dealer 6.5hrs labor.

 

I understand where you're coming from, but inflation is a bitch. This is the end result of printing $8T during the COVID stupidity. I really don't think my weekly grocery bill should have doubled in the last 3 years either, but here we are....

Your '20 should last a good long time and I don't blame you for buying it out of it's lease instead of going with a Gen3, purely on financial grounds.

 

Hello guys.
Toyota rebuilt my engine instead of replacing it at 10700 miles. Since then my motor has developed this clunk/clank in the lower end just like my previous video I posted on this forum.
Toyota is refusing to help me or buy back my truck. They Inspected my truck with one of their specialist and said this is a normal sound in some of our trucks but will not elaborate why none of the other 5 tundras they had me in make this sound.
Toyota refused my buy back that I waited 45 days for them to decide.
https://youtube.com/shorts/4b4j_Ay6WwE?feature=share3

 

Wanted to keep everyone in the loop. I'm sick of getting stranded in my new truck and this sound is constantly getting worse on startup but dealer/Toyota doesn't care.

 

Lawyer time. Get you a sawbucks to send a demand letter and all comm with Toyo go to him or her.

I think 1 800 Toyo rings in Nigeria. Go lawyer gets it back on the continent.